“It should come as no great surprise that a Democratic Party which has abandoned working class people would find that the working class has abandoned them,” Sanders said.

“First, it was the white working class, and now it is Latino and Black workers as well. While the Democratic leadership defends the status quo, the American people are angry and want change. And they’re right.”

“Will the big money interests and well-paid consultants who control the Democratic Party learn any real lessons from this disastrous campaign?” Sanders asked.

“Will they understand the pain and political alienation that tens of millions of Americans are experiencing? Do they have any ideas as to how we can take on the increasingly powerful Oligarchy which has so much economic and political power? Probably not.”

  • tatterdemalion@programming.dev
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    157
    arrow-down
    5
    ·
    7 days ago

    I would vote for Bernie in a heartbeat.

    He seems to always be on the right side of history, he understands the root causes of our national crises, and he has solutions.

    Problem: Two-party system, voter apathy.

    Solution: Ranked choice voting, remove electoral college (popular vote interstate compact).

    Problem: Bought elections.

    Solution: Repeal Citizens United.

    Problem: Federal deficit spending.

    Solution: Reform government contracts with private corpos so we’re not getting gouged. Repurpose military budget. Tax the rich.

    Problem: Ignorant and misinformed voting population.

    Solution: More school funding, pay teachers more.

    Problem: All surplus value is siphoned away from the working class.

    Solution: Tax incentives for employee-owned companies. More support for unions.

    Problem: Consumer price gouging.

    Solution: Break up monopolies, punish anti-competitive behavior.

    Problem: Irresponsible banking.

    Solution: Un-repeal Glass-Steagall.

    Problem: Expensive healthcare.

    Solution: Universal healthcare. Don’t even try to tell me we can’t afford it.

    • cultsuperstar@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      28
      arrow-down
      3
      ·
      7 days ago

      None of that stuff is going to happen, unfortunately, not while the Rs control everything. And it’s not official but it looks like they’re going to win the house too. So they’re going to run buckshot on this country with no one to stop them. They’ll control all 3 branches.

      • Dozzi92@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        49
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        7 days ago

        None of it happened while Ds had any modicum of control either. Bernie represents what the democratic party should be, not what it is and has been. They pivoted hard to the status quo and we are footing the bill.

        • BeMoreCareful@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          9
          arrow-down
          1
          ·
          7 days ago

          I honestly feel like this must be how partys flip. The Democrats are the Republicans of the seventies, the new conservative party.

          Now, I’ll be the first to admit that the Republican party hasn’t exactly moved left, and is the biggest hole in my theory. Who knows maybe this populism will pave a path forward for them.

          • geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            11
            ·
            edit-2
            6 days ago

            The Republican party has moved left in rhetoric. The promise to fix everything and put America first. Create all the jobs. The best economy!

            The will not do it. But that is irrelevant.

      • El Barto@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        14
        ·
        6 days ago

        not while the Rs control everything

        Uh, Bernie was blocked by the democrats, not the republicans.

    • RatzChatsubo@lemm.ee
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      17
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      edit-2
      6 days ago

      Hey I just wanted to say that this is a great post. It really shows how little Hilary, Biden, and now Harris brought to the table

      It’s crazy how the DNC only wants to appeal to moderates, and Republicans cross the aisle, after witnessing how Trump performs

      • tatterdemalion@programming.dev
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        8
        ·
        6 days ago

        I think ranked choice voting and the popular vote interstate compact can happen at the state level. Just needs more local campaigning.

        Then people would feel more empowered to vote for who they really want. I think that would be a big push towards nominating an actual progressive candidate.

    • maplebar@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      2
      arrow-down
      4
      ·
      6 days ago

      Considering multiple blue states just voted against RCV, and the majority of the country voted to put even more ultra-conservative SCOTUS judges on the court, I’m not sure he is on the right side of history.

      History is being written right now, soon to be dictated by Donald Trump, and recorded through the lens of Donald Trump. What will the fascist schoolbooks written by the Texas board of education say to remember the people who stood up against Trump?

    • orcrist@lemm.ee
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      7
      arrow-down
      7
      ·
      7 days ago

      I don’t think I agree with you about deficit spending because actually it’s not clear that some degree of a deficit is bad. The country does print its own money, so what you have written down in a spreadsheet might look scary but actually be less so.

      In other words, what’s true for a business or for an individual is often not true for a country that has its own mint.

  • Dorkyd68@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    82
    arrow-down
    11
    ·
    edit-2
    6 days ago

    We don’t deserve Bernie. He’s to pure to be infected by being president. With that said, I’d give my left nut to see Bernie in the oval office

    The typo is staying just to annoy you grammar nazis. I know the difference in to, too, two. You can suck our collective too nuts

  • generalpotato@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    96
    arrow-down
    1
    ·
    edit-2
    7 days ago

    This man has always cooked. I wish Dems had the ball to let him have the ticket both times he was snubbed despite cooking what needed to cooked.

    • GladiusB@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      67
      arrow-down
      2
      ·
      7 days ago

      Almost like he could have saved this whole scenario in 2016. Fuckin DNC kiss the ring Hillary bullshit.

    • Timmy_Jizz_Tits@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      41
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      7 days ago

      At this point I’d be in favor of him just starting a podcast and enjoying retirement. The left has to go around the DNC to effectively deliver their message, it’s foolish to think otherwise.

      • Jarix@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        17
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        7 days ago

        The dnc should all fall on their sword politically and admit that it would been better today had they given being their blessing and support when it would have mattered.

        Then give Bernie power in the dnc to craft the future of the party. Find a new direction while there’s still time

        • Timmy_Jizz_Tits@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          10
          arrow-down
          1
          ·
          7 days ago

          He’s 83. It’s best for him to leverage his celebrity than to really hunker down with an administrative role. If Trump can find true believers best believe the good guys can.

        • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          5
          arrow-down
          4
          ·
          7 days ago

          It’s cute to read all of these comments attempting to strategize without realizing that it’s all moot in a P2025 world.

          We are fucked. It’s too late to discuss realigning for “the next election,” because there will never be a (fair) one ever again.

            • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              2
              arrow-down
              2
              ·
              6 days ago

              Yeah. I am. What is your point?

              If you or anyone else thinks what I’m saying is hyperbolic, then I want you to remember this exchange in 6 to 12 months.

              • Jarix@lemmy.world
                link
                fedilink
                arrow-up
                3
                ·
                6 days ago

                If germany is an ally today the US then its never too late to keep fighting.

                But you are absolutely entitled to feel like its pointless. Its not true, one might even say there has never been a fair election since the creation of the electoral college.

                To say there will never be another fair election is hyperbolic.

                I’ve probably got another 35 years, 67 more if im really lucky, you will have to give me more than 6 to 12 months.

                I genuinely hope this doesnt cause a new civil war or worldwar. But im not willing to bet it isnt a precipice that has just been driven past, im waiting for a fall

                • octopus_ink@lemmy.ml
                  link
                  fedilink
                  English
                  arrow-up
                  1
                  ·
                  5 days ago

                  I’ve probably got another 35 years, 67 more if im really lucky

                  That seems like a really big spread. I’ve probably got another 30, but nowhere near 60 even if I"m really lucky, unless I’m like “statistical outlier” lucky.

                • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone
                  link
                  fedilink
                  arrow-up
                  1
                  arrow-down
                  1
                  ·
                  edit-2
                  6 days ago

                  You do know what had to happen to Germany for it to become what it is after WW2, right?

                  It was basically destroyed, and the allies rebuilt it. That shit ain’t happening again.

      • iwndwyt@sh.itjust.works
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        33
        ·
        7 days ago

        In related news:

        In June 2016, a class action lawsuit was filed against the Democratic National Committee (DNC) and former DNC Chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz for violating the DNC Charter by rigging the Democratic presidential primaries for Hillary Clinton against Bernie Sanders. Even former Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid admitted in July 2016, “I knew—everybody knew—that this was not a fair deal.”

      • GoodEye8@lemm.ee
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        32
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        7 days ago

        Because the dnc would rather lose running center right to right wing policies than be actually progressive.

    • Scallionsandeggs@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      6
      ·
      6 days ago

      We have a nascent left-wing movement in the local governments of many cities. It’s loose and relatively unorganized but it’s more than we’ve had in decades. Bernie’s run in 2016 has a lot to do with that.

      Our primary election turnout is abysmal, and Americans need to realize that the primaries are how the parties get reformed. Maybe the Democratic Party will have its Tea Party moment in 2026.

        • uis@lemm.ee
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          7
          arrow-down
          10
          ·
          edit-2
          6 days ago

          At least this one will get everyone education, healthcare, housing, welfare and public transport.

  • ThatOneKrazyKaptain@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    57
    arrow-down
    8
    ·
    7 days ago

    Had Trump won in 2020, he’d have taken the fall for the Recession and Hyperinflation and it would have caused a 2008 effect. Populist Wave haulted, strangled in it’s crib by Coronachan.

    Had Trump won in 2020, he’d be done now and his VP would still be the democracy respecting Pence.

    Trump when elected in 2016 had no major plan and mostly left the employees of the state intact, and in 2020 the change was minimal. Now there’s a full blown scheme to control the government

    In 2020 they didn’t know how much they could get away with. They’ve seen the limits now.

    Winning in 2020 means no January 6th shattering the overton window and leading SCOTUS to some interesting choices about power.

    2020-2024 had one Supreme Court Justice to appoint. Now there’s another 2 if not 3

    In 2020 it would have been close. Now Democrats will have to regain ground, New Jersey New Hampshire and Minnesota are now Swing States.

    2016 Trump had his populist wave weakened by Gary Johnson and Evan McMulin who blocked the popular vote and kept states like Colorado and New Mexico out of his hands. 2016 Trump sucked with Hispanics. That initial wave would have burnt out with the COVID fuckery. Instead Democrats slotted in, took the 4 worst possible years, and are handing it back having effectively both given them another shot in the arm and crippled themselves. There goes the court. This isn’t John Kerry, it’s Carter.

    I’ve heard of 2020 hindsight, but this is ridiculous

    • boonhet@lemm.ee
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      16
      ·
      7 days ago

      2020-2024 had one Supreme Court Justice to appoint. Now there’s another 2 if not 3

      And you bet your ass they’ll appoint them as young as possible so they’ve got their pocket justices for another 40 or 50 years.

    • TachyonTele@lemm.ee
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      3
      ·
      6 days ago

      Imagine a time traveller appearing in 2020 and trying to convince everyone they needed to reelect Trump

  • M0oP0o@mander.xyz
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    22
    arrow-down
    1
    ·
    6 days ago

    “BLASTS!”

    I mean yeah, but what about “SLAMS” or “RIPS INTO”?

  • LovableSidekick@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    51
    arrow-down
    7
    ·
    edit-2
    7 days ago

    I think one way the party screwed up was by not cultivating younger Democrats to contend for the nomination this year. It’s not like 2024 or Biden’s age snuck up on anybody - they should have had a slate of viable options ready besides him. The Harris campaign was brilliantly run, especially on such short notice, and I don’t blame her or the campaign one bit for failing. But as many analysts have pointed out, the public didn’t feel like they knew her - the VP is surprisingly not super visible. One thing Trump had in his favor was that he was “the devil you know”. He had already been President and we’re still here, whereas they didn’t feel they knew Harris. I thought that changed radically as the summer went on. She really seemed to grab everybody. It was electric and exhilarating. But apparently not enough.

    • MataVatnik@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      25
      arrow-down
      3
      ·
      edit-2
      7 days ago

      They royally fucked up three elections by pushing shitty unpopular candidates to the point where we ended up with a little fascist whiny bitch in office with unchecked power. We cannot rehabilitate the Democratic party, the damage is complete there is nothing there left to save. The democrats lost worse in 2024 than republicams did in 2020, we judge Republicans for hanging on to their party after it got commandeered by Trump, but when are democrats going to turn around and look in the mirror because our party fucked up worse than we could have possibly imagined and here we are sitting thinking it will be different next time, after twelve fucking years of this shit. Disaffected Republicans and Democrats must build a coalition to form a new party and kick out the old and stale guard that is holding on to our body of government like a tick with Lyme disease

  • AidsKitty@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    42
    arrow-down
    24
    ·
    7 days ago

    Democrats have definitely become the elitist party. They parade their rich celebrity friends around to inspire your vote. Can it become more ridiculous?

    • emmy67@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      45
      arrow-down
      7
      ·
      edit-2
      7 days ago

      Don’t you mean Trump? The literal billionaire who represents the richest man in the world? Weird

      • boonhet@lemm.ee
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        25
        arrow-down
        6
        ·
        7 days ago

        Yea but with the republicans you already sorta expect it. Harris pivoted from a really sensible campaign that honestly I think would’ve won, to “look at all these rich people, celebrities and even right-wing warmongers who support me!” - and while I get the point - a dirtbag like Cheney supporting Harris is a sign of how fucked up Trump REALLY is - the message might not have been as clear to everyone.

    • Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      18
      arrow-down
      4
      ·
      7 days ago

      They parade their rich celebrity friends around to inspire your vote. Can it become more ridiculous?

      Yes. They thought Dick Cheney would do the trick.

        • Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          14
          arrow-down
          2
          ·
          7 days ago

          No, I mean every centrist’s Senpai, DICK Cheney. They were so fucking happy when they got the endorsement of their favorite living war criminal not named Netanyahu.

          • doingthestuff@lemy.lol
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            4
            ·
            6 days ago

            I’m relatively centrist in that I hold positions from both the left and the right, but I’m also anti-authoritarian and anti-war. I can’t stand Dick Cheney.

    • hglman@lemmy.ml
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      3
      arrow-down
      2
      ·
      7 days ago

      Just wait until Ted Cruz switches parties and runs as a dem for President in 2028

    • Furbag@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      8
      arrow-down
      8
      ·
      7 days ago

      And you’re saying “billionaire” Donald Trump up on stage with the wealthiest man in the world is somehow more in-touch?

      Jesus Christ, get real you guys.

  • theherk@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    21
    arrow-down
    5
    ·
    7 days ago

    I will always blame DWS, Clinton, and to a slightly lesser extent Brazile for the ruin of the party. Until there is proportional representation (i.e. never), there will never be a party that represents a great many of us.

    • Timmy_Jizz_Tits@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      20
      ·
      7 days ago

      They can control the narratives. Democrats haven’t done enough to break the “both sides are the same” narrative, this is a 32 year problem. It breeds apathy and apathy helps autocrats.

  • Lemmy_Cook@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    5
    arrow-down
    37
    ·
    edit-2
    6 days ago

    Like I give a fuck about whatever Bernie says at a time like this. Shut up and stop acting like you know what’s best for us, this is some fine Monday morning QB that’s completely unhelpful. Come at me Bernie bros.

    Edit: Looks like the Bernie Bros do know how to vote after all! Just not where it matters. Shame on those who sat out the election in 2016 and 2024 to enable the slide towards fascism. Shame on those who didn’t vote because of Gaza. Gaza and Ukraine are fucked now because of people like you. You do not have the moral high ground. Keep the downvotes coming, it means I struck a nerve. Shame on you. I sincerely hope the leopards come for you first.

      • pjwestin@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        5
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        6 days ago

        I mean, yeah, I think that’s unironically who they want to listen to. They’re waiting for someone to tell them why the choices the party made were actually good and smart and how all the left punching they did was actually justified. I’m not sure they’re going to get it, though; even the Pod Save America guys sounded on the verge of some self-reflection. But who knows, maybe they’ll blame Russian disinformation campaigns again and put their heads back in the sand.

      • Lemmy_Cook@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        1
        arrow-down
        2
        ·
        6 days ago

        That’s a great one! Hmm, let’s see what do you call a leftist who sits out the vote?

        Complicit.

        See, it’s not really funny after all.