• givesomefucks@lemmy.world
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    8 months ago

    Against an incumbent trump when people believed Biden’s campaign promises…

    This time being the incumbent hurts Biden. 4 years ago if someone said Biden would be supporting a genocide, trying to codify Trump’s border policies, and calling migrants “illegals” I’d have laughed in their face.

    Biden is less popular now then when all most voters knew about him was he was Obama’s VP.

    Dude took 36 years to win his first presidential primary, he wasn’t that popular to begin with.

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        8 months ago

        Did trump win as an incumbent?

        No, because he was incredibly unpopular.

        Both Biden and trump are currently sitting just under 1/3 favorably.

        Being an unpopular incumbent hurt trump in 2020, and it will hurt Biden in 2024.

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        8 months ago

        The “incumbent advantage” is often misunderstood. Because a weak incumbent gets primaried.

        So the DNC says primarying a candidate hurts them, and why NH didn’t get delegates this year.

        The reality is only weak incumbents get primaried. Whether they get challenged or not in the primary doesn’t make them weaker or stronger.

        By taking a primary away, we’re not helping a candidate, we’re throwing away the option to run a more popular candidate. Which hurts the party and every American if it means trump is elected.

        It’s like saying the only reason trump got caught on his tax fraud was he ran for president. Running for president brought attention to it, but he cheated on taxes decades before running and could have been prosecuted at any time.

        An actual primary wouldn’t have made Biden unpopular, it would have just made how unpopular he is more public, while giving him a public stage to move left to his voters and win some over for the general.

        Hiding it doesn’t make it better, it just gives people a false sense of security, which ironically often leads to lower turnout.

        And as always:

        Low turnout is how republicans become presidents

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      Hes more popular for me. I still can’t believe how much he has done in one term with an adversarial congress that improves my quality of life. and yeah I feel sad about international affairs but I vote on internal affairs. especiallly when its so obvious how much worse the alternative is internationally.

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        8 months ago

        Hes more popular for me

        Well, less then a third of Americans hold a favorable opinion of Biden like you do…

        Just slightly better than trumps numbers.

        https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-unpopular-polls-2024-election-1877870

        I hope it’s enough, and I do feel a lot more comfortable now then a week ago. We just need Biden to stop reaching out to Haley voters and start trying to get liberal votes on his side.

        It’s just insane to me that less than two thirds of the country hold a favorable opinion of either candidate. No matter what happens, the majority of the country will be unhappy with it.

        That means depressed turnout, and those are the only elections republicans have a chance at winning. I’d rather not give them that chance