US politicians only believe in the justice system when it suits them. Lobbing 155 mm artillery shells at civilians, packed into the Gaza Ghetto, is a war crime.
what a bunch of disgusting human beings. I think for them being a democrat or republican doesn’t really matter. Like parasites they will just latch on to whatever opportunity is available and pretend like they are a part of the system.
Here’s the list of voters that you can narrow down. It’s appalling. AIPAC, the pro-
isrealGenocide lobby, has been pushing this, in order to shield their terrorist leader netenyahoo from punishment. The bill would not just sanction the International Criminal Court, but it’s members. They are actively trying to punish individuals across the globe, for condemning isreals genocide, using the American peoples congress as their cudgel.Meanwhile isreal has blocked or impeded every single humanitarian aid shipment to Gaza since October.
Well atleast my representative was a no vote, wish more would be done but atelast my representative isn’t following along with this.
Really glad all our votes make a difference, we have great representation, these people really share the voice of the American people. /s
You see that every single GOP votes with isreal 100% of the time, tho, so vote dem if theres no viable 3rd party in your district.
Here’s an idea. We all just stop. And loudly let them know they fucked up. Because rewarding them for this behavior is just going to get more of it.
This is why Trump got reelected.
Partially, yes. Clearly these representatives didn’t get the message. So the lesson must be applied again in their districts.
I’m in your camp, but I am also very cynical. I think your reasoning assumes they care if you do/don’t vote. They know that they have an army of rubes (both Republicans and Democrats) who will “vote blue no matter who” or whatever the conservative equivalent is. In the last 8 years I have seen many very intelligent people compromise on their supposed values because to do otherwise would be an existential crisis. I don’t know how you break through that.
House races can be surprisingly close. Either in the primary or the general depending on if it’s a “safe” seat or not. The one thing they really care about is being re-elected. They will notice, even if they win a tough primary for a safe district they’re not going to forget it. And if you manage to unseat enough of them then the message is even louder to the rest.
This is the way the game was meant to be played. Just apathetically voting for what’s in front of you was something the parties invented to make it seem like there’s no way to make change.
partially, yes
No entirely.
When Trump won PA he won. The one state where we know people stayed home because of Gaza was Michigan and it would have caused a win for Trump if they had gotten to that point. But Michigan effectively didn’t even get a chance to count because Pennsylvania’s electoral votes put Trump over the line on their own.
There are many ways she could have won with modest gains in other states.
Realistically they had to defend PA. Georgia and North Carolina were always a long shot and the only way the Democrats could survive losing Pennsylvania. PA landed Trump his 270th EC vote.
That, and voter suppression, voter-roll purges, selective closure of polling places, intimidation, and of course lying media expecting perfection of Democrats and giving a free pass to fascists.
Only 30% of eligible voters vote. If even fewer vote it’s even easier for elections to be manipulated
This isn’t an abandonment of voting. You just don’t vote for those guys. They have elections every 2 years.
These are paid offices, right? Run as an anti-Israel independent, maybe it’ll be the start of something big.
Unless your platform is anti-abortion, anti-tax, pro-jesus then that would just split the vote between you and the DNC candidate, ensuring the GOP wins and doing more harm than good.
Run on that platform and then immediately change to the Dems. As gop candidates have done in the past.
You cannot win office with that approach outside of maybe a handful of districts
What, you think there will still be free and fair elections?
You think this is a productive response?
the most furious debate of all time will be whether the United States is owned by the AIPAC, or the Russian Mafia.
if they aren’t in one pocket, its the other
AIPAC has every politician kissing the ring at their conference. It is not even a contest.
If Russia had the same level of influence as Israel, America would be invading Ukraine with Putin.
“Republicans want to sanction the ICC simply because they don’t want the rules to apply to everyone,” said Rep. Jim McGovern (D-Massachusetts) on the House floor on Thursday.
McGovern highlighted that Republicans are moving to erode human rights while ignoring urgent issues within the U.S.
“We have a natural disaster unfolding in California right this second…. We have a gun violence epidemic, as we see massacres in our schools nearly every single day. And families are unable to make ends meet because they’re being ripped off by billionaire corporations,” said McGovern. “All those challenges, and this is what the out of touch elitist billionaire Republican party wants to waste time on. Sanctioning the ICC.”
I liked Jim McGovern already, but I like him more, now.
Sounds reasonable, but the name? It’s like they’re not even trying to hide the fact we’re in a simulation any more.
Yeah, he fucking nailed it.
McNailed it
Also wonder if the fact that he’s, uh, governing (?) is some nomnative determinism
45 democrats need to get fucking primaried.
AIPAC is ready to fund them
Honestly, campaign on that.
“My opponent supports genocide. They’ve received xxx,xxx dollars from AIPAC. They’re being funded by foreign interests because they put those interests before you.”
And to any dem politicians out there thinking about it- AIPAC and Netanyahu fucked Biden. They are not your ally. They are not your friend.
Tried that. Just say that eggs will be cheaper, doesn’t matter if it’s true.
They aren’t going to be cheaper so add that line in.
They took X amount of money from AIPAC to put foreign interests above your family affording groceries. Isn’t it time to actually focus on Americans?
Yes, but then they’ll be accused of anti-Semitism because people don’t understand the difference between Israel and Jewish people
They already are, and you are suggesting democrats become feckless cowards.
Learn to hit back. You’ll feel better.
Become?
Even more so?
There’s always room to become even more cowardly.
Oh no accusations! Republicans accuse people of all sorts of dumb shit, you really gonna fall for that old trick?
Yes… yes you will.
I worry that’s exactly it.
Then we lose while making AIPAC spend money that would otherwise have been put towards further entrenching foreign influence.
It’s government backed, you can’t outspend an industrial nation on volunteer donations across every candidate.
If their candidates are going to win either way, I would rather them have to spend money keeping them in office than use that money for genocide.
The list copied by hand from https://clerk.house.gov/Votes/20257
Sorry for any errors
- Ansari (AZ)
- Bell (MO)
- Cherfilus-McCormick (FL)
- Cisneros (CA)
- Craig (MN)
- Cuellar (TX)
- Davis (NC)
- Frankel (FL)
- Gillen (NY)
- Golden (ME)
- Goldman (NY)
- Gonzalez (TX)
- Gottheimer (NJ)
- Horsford (NV)
- Landsman (OH)
- Latimer (NY)
- Lee (NV)
- Levin (CA)
- McBath(GA)
- McClain Delaney (MD)
- Menendez (NJ)
- Meng(NY)
- Moskowitz(FL)
- Norcross(NJ)
- Pallone(NJ)
- Panetta(CA)
- Pappas (NH)
- Perez(WA)
- Peters (CA)
- Riley (NY)
- Ryan (NY)
- Schneider (IL)
- Schrier (WA)
- Soto (FL)
- Stevens (MI)
- Subramanyam (VA)
- Suozzi (NY)
- Sykes (OH)
- Thanedar (MI)
- Torres(NY)
- Vargas (CA)
- Veasey (TX)
- Wasserman Schultz (FL)
Major EDIT: Originally copied the list from the last time this bill was introduced, it has now been corrected
of course that rat wasserman schultz voted for it.
People like that make me want to believe in God, just so I’m comforted by their eventual placement in hell.
Not surprised that Dean Phillips (MN) voted for this, but I am mildly surprised Angie Craig (MN) did. Her district is purple tho. Still shitty
Cuellar (TX)
Votes like this are why the party worked so hard to quash the Cisneros campaign.
Fucking evil rats, all of them. Reichstag rodents.
It would be nice if this were sorted alphabetically by state, but thank you regardless!
- Ansari (AZ)
- Cisneros (CA)
- Levin (CA)
- Panetta(CA)
- Peters (CA)
- Vargas (CA)
- Cherfilus-McCormick (FL)
- Frankel (FL)
- Moskowitz(FL)
- Soto (FL)
- Wasserman Schultz (FL)
- McBath(GA)
- Schneider (IL)
- McClain Delaney (MD)
- Golden (ME)
- Stevens (MI)
- Thanedar (MI)
- Craig (MN)
- Bell (MO)
- Davis (NC)
- Pappas (NH)
- Gottheimer (NJ)
- Menendez (NJ)
- Norcross(NJ)
- Pallone(NJ)
- Horsford (NV)
- Lee (NV)
- Gillen (NY)
- Goldman (NY)
- Latimer (NY)
- Riley (NY)
- Ryan (NY)
- Suozzi (NY)
- Torres(NY)
- Meng(NY)
- Landsman (OH)
- Sykes (OH)
- Cuellar (TX)
- Gonzalez (TX)
- Veasey (TX)
- Subramanyam (VA)
- Perez(WA)
- Schrier (WA)
EDIT: Corrected when I realized I copied from the last time this was voted on
Very kind of you, thank you.
75% of Democrats voted against it and 100% of Republicans supported it. The problem in this country is Democrats, because a portion of them side with Republicans sometimes.
Honestly the fact that 75% of Democrats voted against it is actually kinda surprising. In the past close to 100% of both parties were knee-jerk pro-Israel votes. This means there’s actually a good chance it won’t pass the senate. If people wanna call their senator instead of complaining online, maybe it won’t. I’m in DC so I’m allowed to just complain online until you give me my two senators.
Do the 75% of the Democrats call out and throw out the 25%? Like the whole ACAB thing, how are these people allowed to represent the party?
lmao why would the “representatives” care
Because their constituents voted for them.
That’s true of Trump and Hitler as well, does that mean the Dems are happy to be on the same platform as them?
The DNC allowed them into the party.
No, their state Democratic party did. Because they won a primary election.
There is no requirement that the party keep you. You can keep your seat. The people gave you your seat. The party gave you it’s name and backing. The party can publicly disavow you at any time.
Democratic primaries being famously neutral and all.
If fewer Republicans voted for it, more Democrats would have.
I’d like to see a breakdown of this idea. Some people say Democrats seem to perfectly shore up votes to push through conservative shit, but the idea is the same color as “it’s them vs us.”
I can’t be an American. There’s no way my politics are this divorced from the average person and I’m still an American.
(https://act.represent.us/sign/problempoll-fba/)[The bottom 90% of income earners have a statistically zero level of influence on policy.]
It’s not you who isn’t American, it’s the current governing body.
Then why is it every time we vote I feel less American?
Because the options you get to pick from are also unamerican. And you get to choose between supporting unamerican and supporting facism. And that’s not a choice that leads one to patriotism.
No, the options are entirely American, and that’s the problem.
It’s “the land of the free and the home of the brave”
Not the intelligent.
Not the compassionate.
Not the effective
Free and brave.
I mean sure, if you look at the average citizenry. But if you look at the goals, it’s no surprise you are disappointed.
I’m a (non-combat, undeployed, medically discharged) veteran, and tbh I regretted it within a few years of joining up because I realized a lot of things. And it’s really the same thing as civic participation. We are sold a myth, and over time realize the truth is that the people we have to pick from don’t share the same ideals we were led to believe they would have.
So I totally agree with you, but our current crop are, indeed, unAmerican regardless of what the population has been led to believe is totally fine.
Cue Lionel Hutz:
"Oh no, those printers messed this all up.
It’s the land of the Fee and the home of the slave.
Better remove this bar logo."
You’re not a 1%er, the only people our government represents. Culture wars are a distraction
If that were the case then people wouldn’t be continually voting the way they do. This is what we collectively want. It’s not like it’s a dictatorship.
Only approximately 30% of the eligible voters in this country voted for Trump. They are not the average person.
What we need now is some polling on the average person’s views on the ICC and this in particular.
Why bother? Polling on issues doesn’t matter. If it did, we would have universal healthcare, a higher minimum wage, and universal background checks for purchasing firearms.
EDIT: and legal cannabis nationwide.
I agree that it doesn’t matter, but I was commenting within the context of what the other person said.
When will US truly have a centre left party atleast?
Considering we have a far right and a controlled opposition party, never.
Probably after we switch from a First-past-the-post voting system to something more representative.
Then people could vote outside the two party system without a spoiler effect.
We can make these changes at the state level. Alaska recently voted to keep using Ranked Choice voting. Conservatives were mad because Ranked Choice voting allowed alaskans to choose a more moderate conservative over Sarah Palin and pushed to have a referendum to go back to FPTP voting.
So why do Blue states use FPTP voting when it’s clear republicans prefer it?
I dont think FPTP is a problem, my country also have FPTP but we have diverse range of parties having significant influence. Electoral college is the real issue
Dems prefer it for the exact same reasons. It makes things so much easier for them.
Or centre right, Biden was the closest they’ve been to centre right so they replaced him with a candidate further right
(Yes you can point out random other centre right members but they haven’t had power in the party)
When people on the left stop just circle-jerking on the Internet and actually get involved in their state and local Democratic parties, vote in the primaries and run for office.
volunteers to run for office
gets told by Dems that they’re not rich enough
We’ve got 4 years (assuming something doesn’t happen) to create a resistance party and get a candidate with enough charisma and followers to win an election.
You too huh?
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If we keep acting like anyone with a D by their name is perfect we’ll never fix shit.
The hard truth is the party needs to clean house because when shit like this happens “both sides” is hard to deny
Third party corruption investigations and prosecutions are needed on every branch of high level government.
The tone is set from the top. Hold the top accountable and the rats will cease to try and climb.
It’s easy to say but the solution takes a lot more critical thinking for people to vote ethically or even just in their own interests rather than for the team they’ve been trained to vote for.
Most people either don’t have the available time to research, the interest to put the effort in or the capacity to understand the consequences of their choice.
Simplification to “trusted source K recommended by trusted source L says I should vote for team B” is the default solution. “Surely everyone in recommended team B is a fine upstanding person who will fight tooth and nail for my best interests?”
Most people need to be engaged and critical or the system defaults to whoever controls the trusted sources.
If we keep acting like anyone with a D by their name is perfect we’ll never fix shit.
Progressives usually don’t (value based on group membership). You know those disappointments only got into power because they were the least-bad option. Because progressives don’t value loyalty; progressives need to fall in love.
Thing is, they have just one option, and it’s merely the lesser of two evils. They need more less-evil choices. They need more people saying “people have the right to defend their land” and blow the dog whistle, and then say “that’s not their land. That’s not defending” when they get in.
I say that’s 45 disappointments, but it’s only 45. Promise me you’ll get it to 44 and lower if they’re in your area. Do what you can, at least.
This isn’t a movie script; it’s a continual slog with a progress report every 2 years. This is one time when “line must go up” from the pit it’s in now. So. And I mean this after all that rambling.
Primary their asses.
Because progressives don’t value loyalty
Progressives do value loyalty. It’s why they’re so mad at the Democratic party, as it keeps showing that “loyalty” means “vote for us and we’ll vote against you.” Like they just did here for every Palestinian-American. Like they did last week for trans people. Like they did for the relatives of the undocumented when they adopted Republican border policy.
Know how to get shouted down on lemmy? Make a comment about how rotten the Democrats are, comparing their sins to Republicans. And here’s the secret sauce…
Let the next comment say, “fuck your ‘both sides’ bullshit!”
That’s all it takes. No matter the original comment, first reply sets the tone.
Sprinkle in some approved slogans to really rack up those points. A real point scorer is, “the suffering is the point!” Or, “capitalism”, or “racism”. Context be damned, just comment the right words and you can lead these kids around by the nose.
Fuck your “both sides” bullshit
This is what Democrats call bipartisanship.
Scratch a Blue Dog Democrat…
