Rep. Ilhan Omar (D-Minn.) said policy differences toward Israel between her and President Biden won’t stop her from supporting him in the November general election.

“Of course,” Omar said Tuesday, when asked by CNN’s Abby Phillip on “NewsNight” whether she would vote for Biden if the election were held that day, in a clip highlighted by Mediaite. “Democracy is on the line, we are facing down fascism.”

“And I personally know what my life felt like having Trump as the president of this country, and I know what it felt like for my constituents, and for people around this country and around the world,” Omar continued. “We have to do everything that we can to make sure that does not happen to our country again.”

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    It’s insane how when someone criticizes anything about Biden, the first move is accusing them of supporting trump, and when they have to clarify trump is obviously worse, everyone then acts like their criticisms of Biden becomes invalid.

    Biden is better than trump. But we deserve better than either option.

    “Shutting up and voting Biden” doesn’t help anything, and is what we give republicans shit for.

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      Liberals always choose to stand in the way of progress. You’ll never have better Dems if you don’t criticize them. They aren’t your friends and voting is a tool.

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      It’s the dem magalike cult in action. It’s sad because by denying criticisms of Biden, they’re effectively endorsing changing nothing after the election.

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        As soon as conservatives got Faux New, neoliberals have been trying to get the same unquestioning support from their voters.

        The issue is if Dem voters wanted that shit, they’d be republicans.

        The people running the DNC don’t understand basic psychology because when they finished their educations, psychology was still pretty new, and the only big studies was shit like Zimbardo that threw out the scientific method and had researchers meddling with experiments to get the desired result.

        Imagine if Verizon hired a guy that stilled used a beeper instead of one of those newfangled mobile phones.

        Sounds ridiculous, right?

        But that’s what we’re doing with politics and psychology

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      Sure, but “right now” you need to vote for Biden or risk never being able to vote again.

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        And since DNC pulled NH primary delegates for something only republicans can change and Biden supported it…

        We can’t even use your point to convince people.

        This sham of a Dem primary might be our last.

        Do you think NH republicans learned their lesson and will change NH state law so the NH Dem primary doesn’t have to be first?

        Or do you think they’ll leave the law in place so in 2028 the DNC cancels the NH primary again?

        The only people that can fix it are NH republicans and the DNC. And the DNC seems fine with just not letting NH Dems have a say in who the candidate is.

        What’s stopping the DNC from canceling other states that vote progressive like NH was?

        They’ve already argued in court they can do what they want, because primary is nonbinding and they can just ignore it anyways.

        This is the danger of just blindly supporting Dems no matter what. They keep acting more and more like Republicans

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          People complaining about the process of the Democratic Primary this year seem to have forgotten that there is only one viable candidate this time around. If somebody else viable had announced his candidacy this year, I would be there with you all the way. However, if an open primary implies that Biden has to debate anti-vaxer Kennedy as his closest competitor, I don’t see what the point is. This primary is not rigged by the DNC, but by other candidates (e.g. Whitmer/Newson/AOC) not running.

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            People complaining about the process of the Democratic Primary this year seem to have forgotten that there is only one viable candidate this time around.

            So…

            You’re saying Biden was going to win no matter what, so the DNC yanking NH delegates and Biden being outspoken in support of that is fine?

            If he was going to win anyways, why would Biden and the DNC risk taking that incredibly undemocratic step?

            Why wouldn’t they just let the most progressive candidate win NH for the third time?

            Why remove their delegates and have Biden publicly take himself off the ballot just to spend campaign money on a write in campaign?

            How is any of what Biden and the DNC logical if you’re right?

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              The main point is that if you are ever putting pressure on NH to change the date on their primary election, then this is the time.

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                Except NH state government is all Republican and the only one that can change the law that NH goes first…

                The DNC told NH Dems they had to violate state election laws or lose their delegates.

                That is a giant fucking issue, and something I thought republicans wouldn’t even sink to.

                There’s no choice, and you acting like there was isn’t a good look.

                Did you just not know the details?

                Or do you think the DNC telling a state party to break election laws is no big deal?

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          DNC conspiracy theory nonsense gets so tiresome. You had some legitimate grievances over what happened with Bernie, but not really in the recent primary. Unless you can name the challenger to Biden that was worth spending money holding the primary for.

          I sincerely hope the far left does fall in line with its own party eventually, with some voting reform we could make a multiparty system viable. For now though, much like in WW2, we have fascists to defeat. Regardless of how much liberals and communists may dislike each other, we are at least capable of civil cooperation.

          It’d just be nice if you stopped trying to attack all forms of liberalism so hard and take over the dem party just like MAGA took over the repubs. It won’t work on educated people in the same way fascism can convince the uneducated. We tend to know the difference between liberal and neo-liberal.

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            I mean you say ‘legitimate grievances’ then proceed to ignore what happened to NH.

            The reality of the situation that we’re all in is that oarty primaries are the only ‘real’ mechanism we get to engage with democracy in a material way, and time and time again the stewards of those parties are thumbing the scales towards specific outcomes.

            You acknowledge it, then dismiss it as ‘nonesense’. It’s not fucking nonsense. There is almost nothing ‘democratic’ about the DNCs primary process. If you run a competitive race but aren’t the predidermined party leadership acceptable candidate, they steal it from you, in fact, they’ll conspire to do so. If a state ‘votes wrong’, they take your primary from you. It’s material and real you chucklefuck and dismissing it trivializes the real consequences it has around voter disenfranchisement.

            If we consider the primary process to be a part of our political system, and we should because it is, the DNC is less democratic than some of the lowest ranking “democracies” in the planet. The RNC didn’t rig their primary to stop Trump. The DNC did so to stop Bernie, twice. And when a state which was one of the first in the nation primaries gave the primary to the non-dccc candidate, they took the primary away from that state.

            It’s an indefensible mockery of the word democracy to call the DNCs primary a democratic process

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              Conveniently skipped over where I asked someone, and anyone can do this, to name the viable leftist challenger in the recent NH primary, that would make holding it worthwhile.

              And really, can name a non-leftist challenger too if you want, if you really think Dean had a real shot or something.

              The degree of personal attacks and cherry-picked arguments in here is remarkable.

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                Oh stfu you pedant.

                You are dismissing the structural critique that makes your first point irrelevant.

                There are no viable challengers because the DNC has repeatedly changed the rules or moved the goal posts to prevent that from happening again.

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                  Ah, more conspiracy theory. Bernie ran just fine. Twice. He’s not even a registered democrat. You got any evidence of the new rule that prevented it from happening this time, or just an anonymous claim on the internet?

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        and the general election is eight fucking months away, so it’s 100% justifiable to vote however the fuck I want to in the primary.

        Which I did, and I voted uncommitted. And I will vote for not Trump in November. But don’t mistake my enthusiasm for “not living in a fascist theocratic state” for enthusiasm towards Biden, because it’s not and never will be.

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          Apologies. I wasn’t talking about the primaries. I was talking about the presidential election.

          Edit: I didn’t realize they were talking about the primaries. My bad.

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            Edits aside, that is kinda the issue. I have disliked Biden not because he’s Biden, but largely because I feel he’s a little more conservative of a president than I would like. Will I vote for him still if he’s up against Trump? Unless he genuinely gives me a reason to think he’d be as bad as Trump (pretty damn unlikely), yes. But I very much dislike his handling of the Israeli - Palistinian conflict, so much so that during the primaries I voted uncommitted. But every time I bring up my opinion, the default is not to say that I must be implicitly be a Trump supporter because I’m not 100% behind Biden. I live in the southeastern US, so I absolutely have family that are Trump supporters, and that argument of all or nothing is sounds very similar in my mind to those that support Trump. I’d argue that this rhetoric of total support will most likely be more damaging than not for the democrats, as it has actually made me more wary about voting for Biden than I suspect I would be otherwise.

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              All I’m seeing here is that you don’t seem to understand how the spoiler effect works in an entrenched two-party political system, which this is. Also, it appears you’re not aware of how absurdly tilted to the right the electoral mechanisms have become in this country - largely due to gerrymandering, and the continued refusal of Congress to reapportion the number of Representatives in the house from the cap imposed in 1929.

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      There’s a time and a place. In this case, the last best time was in 2015 and 2019 during the democratic primary elections. And the left shot its shot and got Bernie pretty freaking far along, enough to reshape the democratic party apparatus partly in his vision. And maybe that didn’t give us President Sanders, but it might give us the next great president.

      If Trump gets in, he won’t leave.

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        We should be having a proper competitive primary now instead of a coronation. In 2019, we were told Biden wasn’t looking for two terms. We got bait-and-switched.

        According to four people who regularly talk to Biden, all of whom asked for anonymity to discuss internal campaign matters, it is virtually inconceivable that he will run for reelection in 2024, when he would be the first octogenarian president.

        https://www.politico.com/news/2019/12/11/biden-single-term-082129

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      Sure, but there are only 4 options when November comes: 1) vote for Biden, 2) vote for Trump, 3) vote 3rd party, or 4) don’t vote.

      Due to how the US system works, options 2-4 only help Trump, so unless you want a Trump presidency, only option 1 is valid.

      Anything else is just at best a pipe dream, or at worst, direct support for someone who will become a dictator.

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        If the weatherman says a tornado is going to hit your town tomorrow, would you start getting upset at them for causing a tornado?

        Or would you be appreciative that someone gave you a heads up while there’s still time?

        Because I see a lot of people frantically ringing alarm bells. For years at this point.

        The primary still isn’t over despite the DNC pulling delegates from NH.

        There’s still time to not run Biden. And I know that’s unlikely.

        But there’s still also time to make noise and hope Biden and the DNC sees reason and move left so trump doesn’t win

        But telling people:

        Shut up and vote Biden

        Isn’t going to get Biden enough votes to beat trump. He’s sitting at less than 1/3 approval with voters…

        We can’t just stick our heads in the sand and hope that’s enough.

        If you want to be sure we beat Trump, start making noise and praying Biden actually listens.

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      You’re saying that here, but you have repeatedly said you’re voting third party, and I among many others have given you shit for that, as well as your refusal to even acknowledge one thing you think Biden has done well. You complain about this so much on Lemmy that I recognize your name, and can usually tell when you’ve written a comment before I even look at the name. Go outside sometimes.

      Feel free to respond to this but fyi I’m not going to read it.

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        You’re saying that here, but you have repeatedly said you’re voting third party

        Nope, never.

        But thanks for blocking me! I know you’re going to sign out to check this, but it’s still nice to know I’ll never get another response from you.

        If you bet banned for personal attacks, please don’t forget to also block me on your new account or any alts you currently have

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      But we deserve better than either option.

      You can deserve all you want, but that won’t change the names on the ballot. If you really care, start organizing some grassroots support around 3rd parties, or perhaps take on a role in government in your local jurisdiction. The upcoming election is 99.999% going to be between Trump and Biden. Vote or not, there’s very little you can do about alternatives at this point. Start working on the next one.

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        Man, if only we had an earlier election where we have a say in who the general candidate was…

        But I’m sure if Biden doesn’t move left and trump wins, you’re going to do the rational thing and blame Biden and his campaign team for their words and actions.

        I mean, it would be ridiculous if instead you blamed all the people who held their nose and voted D but spent 4 years telling everyone that Biden isn’t popular enough to beat trump again. And he needs to do more to reach out to Dem voters.

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          https://www.axios.com/2024/03/14/us-settler-sanctions-west-bank

          The U.S. Department of Treasury announced new sanctions Thursday against two illegal outposts in the occupied West Bank that were used as a base for attacks by extremist Israeli settlers against Palestinian civilians, three U.S. officials told Axios.

          Why it matters: It is the first time U.S. sanctions are being imposed against entire outposts and not just against individuals.

          The move comes as the Biden administration ratchets up pressure on the government of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu over a range of issues, including settler violence against Palestinians and the war in Gaza. There were nearly 500 Israeli settler attacks against Palestinians between Oct. 7 and Jan. 31 of this year, according to the UN humanitarian office (OCHA).

          https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-israel-gaza-finish-problem-rcna141905

          PALM BEACH, Fla. — Former President Donald Trump declared Tuesday that Israel must “finish the problem” in its war against Hamas, his most definitive position on the conflict since the terror group killed 1,200 Israelis and took more than 200 hostages on Oct. 7.

          That month, his campaign also said that, if elected again, he would bar Gaza residents from entering the U.S. as part of an expanded travel ban.

          Is this good enough for you?

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            Flashback: On Feb. 1, President Biden signed an executive order allowing the U.S. to impose new sanctions on Israeli settlers — and potentially Israeli politicians and government officials — involved in violent attacks against Palestinians in the West Bank.

            I remember when Biden sanctioned the few individuals…

            Even a comment I made back then, but it would be a hassle to find it.

            I said it was better than nothing, and if Biden actually sanctioned the politicians and government officials behind this shit, I’d unironically stand up and clap.

            But that sanctioning random settlers literally accomplishs nothing. So I dont know why people want to brag about it.

            I still dont know why someone would act like this means anything, and I’m still desperately waiting for the chance to be proud of Biden.

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              He’s doing a lot of diplomacy behind closed doors, a bit too much for my taste even, but that’s how he’s always worked and he’ll keep doing that, so there’s not much visible but the few public statements. I think he needs to do more, but he’s very risk averse and the problem is that if he just straight up blocks all support for Israel then that could cause chaos (risk for war in the region, loss of internal support, etc).

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                but he’s very risk averse

                If he was averse to risk, he’d stop doing all this shit his voters hate less than a year out from an election…

                He’s being dangerously risky right now, and we’re all fucked if it turns out he made a bad judgement call and loses the election.

                he just straight up blocks all support for Israel then that could cause chaos (risk for war in the region, loss of internal support, etc).

                At the same time, Biden says trump is incredibly dangerous, and him becoming president again could be the end of American democracy.

                And I agree with that.

                Which is why I think Biden putting Israel over America is so fucking stupid.

                America isn’t responsible for the safety of Israel. If America stopped protecting them at the UN, and the UN forced them to stop their genocide…

                That wouldn’t be the end of Israel, just the end of their current genocide.

                If Israel got attacked after that and invaded, then aid to Israel would be a different story and the rest of the UN would be helping.

                You’re arguing from this false stance where Joe Biden is the only thing keeping Israel a state right now, and ignoring that his support of Israel could very well lead to the actual end of American democracy.

                The president of America’s priority should be America, not if a foreign country might have to stop their genocide.

                Like, if Biden was stopping a genocide, that would be different.

                Do you legitimately not understand any of that?

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                  he’d stop doing all this shit his voters hate less than a year out from an election…

                  There’s not as many people who think like you as you think there are.