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    For the love of god, increase it to something reasonable then implement yearly increases based on inflation so that I never have to hear about this again.

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      This or tie it to the average government wage of a member of Congress, they get a raise and the people get a raise.

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        They would slash their own salaries to $7.25 or less and enjoy the usual net pay raises from their billionaire donors and stock increases as a reward for keeping it that way.

        And voters will cheer them on for being so selfless and suffering with the common man.

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        Tie minimum wage to GDP/GNP, inflation, etc.

        Tie congressional salaries to be a fixed multiple of minimum wage.

        If congress wants more money, they have to make everyone’s situation better.

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      That’s the best thing that can be negotiated in a collective agreement, after that you can finally work on negotiating things that aren’t salary related.

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        Which is exactly why I hated the “fight for fifteen” slogan… Great you got your $15 in some states 15 years later and now that’s worthless.

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    Minimum wage should not be voted on by congress. It should be pegged to cost of living by region. The government already does all this measuring of cost of living by region. Make the minimum 125% of cost of living and be done with it. It’s clear congress can’t handle the task.

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      Yeah, an hour of someone’s life is just worth less in the flyover shit states.

      EDIT: Why don’t the worthless people in the flyover shit states want to vote for us?

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        The “low cost of living” in the “flyover states” is subsidized by a complete lack of accessible social services or government accountability.

        You can get a house for a bit more than 100,000. But you’ll pay for it by sending your children to a school where your high schooler is being taught math by someone with a GED. Or when you lose a tire to a crater in the road. Or when a tornado hits your town and emergency services aren’t available because your Governor is in Paris and didn’t bother to tell anyone.

        It’s really Galt’s Gulch here. The low cost of living/low pay works like a trap, because how the fuck can one save up to get out?

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        No, but the same food and lodging costs drastically different based on location in this country. A New York City cost of living would bankrupt small businesses in rural Nebraska who also price their services based on regional costs. It’s just more logical than a flat minimum wage for the whole country.

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          That’s why it’s the MINIMUM wage. It isn’t saying places like New York City needs to pay that low, nor is it saying they can’t mandate higher.

          It is saying that every person, anywhere, should at an absolute minimum, be offered this baseline.

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            The problem with having a universal minimum wage is the minimum is usually pegged to the state with the lowest COI, and there are usually assholes in government in higher COI states who will not require their state to set the minimum any higher. So you end up with people still struggling to survive because the minimum wage is too low and their state doesn’t have any delta. Pegging the minimum wage to regional COI makes way more sense given the vast differences in COI between urban and rural parts of states.

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              Reality would beg to differ. While I’m sure it’s not all fair and even, most of the higher cost of living states already have a much higher minimum wage. Many require more than double

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          That’s how it used to work until WFHers realized they can make urban wages and live in the country; literally eating their cake and having it too

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          No, but the same food and lodging costs drastically different based on location in this country.

          Rent’s going up everywhere. Lower wages for the states whose voters you regard with contempt is only going to create a permanent underclass of flyover Morlocks who will get hungry.

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            Dude, what are you talking about? I live in rural Indiana. I also realize that cost of living is not the same in every area and making the minimum wage one flat rate creates problems when the cost of living is not flat. This is common sense, not a bias against “flyover states” like the one I live in. That’s why I said it should be pegged to cost of living reports that are already conducted by the government across every region of the country. This way if rent goes up, it would automatically be accounted for and adjusted.

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      Make the minimum 125% of cost of living

      Do the math for a 32 hour workweek to meet this criteria and make it so you have to include healthcare benefits proportional to the hours worked.

      Ironically the company I work for would go under if they had to pay a living wage like this to the workers. We pay minimum wage in our state to close to 400 workers, almost all of whom cannot speak English today. It’s miserable manufacturing work but 100% required, the product is positive to humanity and can’t possibly be outsourced. Can be better automated though, which should be done.

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            Good example: higher cost of living state, where minimum wage is currently $12.

            If the federal minimum is raised to $10.62 to at least restore purchasing power, Virginia is still a higher cost of living state with a higher minimum wage.

            Of course it looks like you also have a Republican Governor who canceled some already scheduled increases in minimum wage, so maybe the naysayers are right

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              I didn’t vote for him.

              The other dude (Terry McAuliffe) committed campaign suicide by saying that parents shouldn’t be “telling schools what they should teach”. I agree with him, and I agreed with his further explanations, but I was so mad when he said that during the debate. I knew it was over and I knew he’d lose and therefore I’d lose in my own personal life because of it.

              I really do believe that was the moment he lost the election. He was a great governor though and it’s unfortunate he didn’t win.

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    For reference, the cost of living doubles every 25 to 30 years. $7.25 in 2024 is worth less than $5 in 2009 money. Less than the $5.15 that was the previous minimum wage.

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    $7.25 in 2009 is worth $10.62 today. $4.95 in 2009 is worth $7.25 today.

    In effect, the value of federal minimum wage has decreased by 31% in the last 15 years, since a dollar today only buys 69% of what it did in 2009, on average (as defined by the consumer price index)

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      I do wonder if trying for $15 is just asking too much. Maybe a compromise at $10.62 to restore what it used to be, is all we can hope for at the moment.

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          Maybe it’s the old parable about leading a horse to water …… minimum wage earners in my state already make at least $15/hr. If people in flyover states keep voting against their own best interests, who am I to fight that?

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      This was Kamala Harris’ key issue in her own words. After the first month it was forgotten, and shit libs continue to blame sinema and manchen

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        You mean the two that voted against raising the minimum wage? Gee i wonder why.

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          Ok, you’re right. There’s nothing they could have done.

          Unless it involves raising the military budget or giving more money and weapons to Israel. We can ALWAYS fight for the things we really care about

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    This is wild. Especially since the US separates tippable jobs.

    I just looked this up. $7,25 is 6,68€
    In Germany minimum wage is 12,41€ ($13,47) as of its last adjustment Jan 24. Thats f*cking DOUBLE. Further adjustments are already planned. And there is no difference between wait staff and other workers.

    Here the leading argument is, that one full time job on minimum wage should provide you the minimum you need to live on. You can not live on 7,25 working only 40h a week, can you?

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      There was a study a few years back showing that there isn’t a county in the country where full-time minimum wage could pay for a 1br apartment and basic necessities.

      That should be the bare minimum. A full-time worker should be able to live within a reasonable proximity to their place of employment. I make 80 grand and have to drive 90 minutes to work.

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      The “best” part is any job that is paying minimum wage is going to be part time, so more like 15-30 hrs a week.

      Oh, and they want you to have open availability, so they can schedule you whenever they feel like each week, with no rhyme or reason to your constantly different shifts so you can’t try to get a second job either…

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      Realistically for housing to be 1/3 of your income, the minimum wage should be closer to $20/hr right now. I live in a pretty small town and most basic 1Br apartments are starting at ~$700/mo so around $1k/mo once you factor in utilities. If we round the numbers a bit, 3000/160=18.75 so housing would be a bit less than 1/3 of gross income, and noticeably less than 1/3 of the person’s income after taxes and insurance.

      The abysmal wages compared to the cost of living are why micro-financing (“Buy now pay later”) is a thing now

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      Canada is us$12.50. That’s getting close to double, and we share a long border.

      You wanna make almost twice more money AND pay 1% less tax for the free healthcare, then go north.

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    I remember the McDonald’s I worked at gave everyone raises right before minimum wage went up to 7.25 to make it seem like it was their choice.

    I was struggling to make ends meet back then. I had a shitty car and tiny apartment with a roommate and just scraped by. No fucking clue how people are making it work today. I have a decent job now and I’m still just scraping by.

    We need unions.

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      You really really do. I don’t mean to target you personally here. This is meant for everyone reading:

      If you have time to hang out on Lemmy, then you have a couple mins looking up what unions the industry you’re in has or is trying to setup.

      Just learn, I’m not even asking that anyone do anything… but if you know more about the situation where you live, maybe you can help people.

      No corpo is gonna do it for you. It’s workers for workers.

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        Thanks for putting the caveats in there.

        I will say that at my current job, remote IT work is in the contract. Because we’re union. And getting it out of the contract and risking shutdown because so many critical systems are run by people far away? Not a good idea. I hope it’s here to stay.

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    we should tie the hourly minimum wage to the cost of spending one minute in a hospital bed. Maybe that’ll get Republicans on board with free healthcare.

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    And in 80 years it has risen $7.00 from its 25¢/hour origins.

    We need a new word for dignity because the one we are using is doing it wrong.

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      with context, that’s a 2800% increase in 80 years, a 35% increase per year average. 15 years = 525% increase lost, final value would be 45 per hour. I have no idea if this is right and don’t condone this math for any reference.

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      Unpacking it takes on a whole new implication now that the President only has one way to force someone off the court.

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      That’s truly inhumane. Even when I was a server - not America - I was paid the same wage as a line cook of similar experience.

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          I think diisabled people can already get paid less, if they are receivingstate assistance. I don’t know how it works, but I had a retarded family member who lived in PA and he made like 1.25 an hour, which is still below minimum wage since this was nearly 2 decades ago. I know he received assistance in various ways, but it just seemed wrong.

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        They don’t make less just because they’re paid less by their employer. The minimum wage of how much they actually make is the same.

        And as a result, servers in the US make a lot more than line cooks of similar experience. That wage gap is a source of frustration for cooks.

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          And as a result, servers in the US make a lot more than line cooks of similar experience.

          That’s heavily variable on where you work. High end restaurants with more expensive menu items and generous tippers pay better than the Sunday Service Waffle House crowd.

          And different restaurants tip out differently. More egalitarian venues tend to pool tips, so line cooks get a slice of the tip out at the end of the day.

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            More egalitarian venues tend to pool tips, so line cooks get a slice of the tip out at the end of the day.

            Federal minimum wage law requires that if front of house tips are pooled to be distributed to kitchen staff (who aren’t traditionally tipped), then front of house must first be paid at least minimum wage pre-tip. So that kind of restaurant, while becoming more popular, isn’t exactly the type of restaurant in the discussion when we talk about servers being paid less than minimum wage before tips.

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              Sure. All staff must be paid a minimum wage under the federal guidelines. The catch is that tipped income goes to meet that wage obligation, which means they have to get paid to the minimum first under law.

              But (a) wage theft in the US is rampant, with tipped workers routinely being underpaid or shorted by non-compliant management. And (b) even under the guidelines, min wage is a pittance. You can’t survive on $7.25/hr in a normal 40 hr work week.

              So even if employers are compliant (which they’re often not), you’re talking about people trying to live on $14k/year in a country where apartments rents bottom out at the $6-8k/year range in the slums and even the meagerest grocery bills easily run into $4-5k/year range in the wake of inflation. Nevermind utilities, transport, health care, clothing, etc.

              Utterly unsustainable.

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    We need to stop looking at minimum wage as a set number across the country, It creates a wage disparity for the working class. A livable wage in Alabama would not be a livable wage in California, a livable wage in California would be an insane wage in a place like Alabama.

    The minimum wage needs to be directly tied with median housing costs either at the state level or at the county level. The wage needs to be set where housing would only comprise of a max of 30% of income. So at 30% if the median rent is $2000 per month, the livable wage in that area would be set at about $6700 a month, or about $42 an hour. This would help control housing costs as well as keep wages livable.

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        I acknowledge that, but people keep quitting a specific number and specific numbers don’t work across the nation. Because of varied COL. Minimum wage should be tied to a major COL item like housing

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          I don’t know if tying it to something that’s inflated above core inflation is a good idea. I think the better approach is to reduce the cost of housing.

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                Under pressure from employers. If their labor costs are directly tied to the cost of housing there would be pressure to keep housing costs low. In turn still keeping wages livable

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                  Have you met an American corporation? They don’t care about the plight of other companies or corporations. In fact that’s just a weakness to be exploited.

                  The only thing I could see this doing is giving us cost push inflation. It’s true that moderate increases don’t increase inflation but quadrupling it would absolutely create inflation. Especially in the middle of the country.

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      Suppose that happens. What’s stopping the landlords from just raising their rents then? Can the government control housing costs? Is it even possible in a “free” economy?

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        The government wouldn’t need to control housing. Landlords would be under pressure from other companies to keep housing low so their wage costs remain as low as possible.