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I wish.
If Trump loses in November and continues to drain the GOP dry you will most likely get your wish, I can’t see things going much further than this if they lose, although that would probably mean that it’s time for the Democratic party to go back to being the conservative party again, while hopefully spawning something new that focuses on progression.
There should be 4 parties.
Right wing nutjobs - MAGA
Center-Right - Republicans/Libertarians
Center-Left - Democrats
Progressives/GreensOr more, as long as there is a proper required number of votes why limit to 4 arbitrary parties. US has too little representatives anyway. A number should be set per number of inhabitants.
While a nice sentiment, we are organized social creatures by nature. It’s always going to end up in a small amount of larger groups and that’s just how it goes. No matter how well or bad a system works, the system is still made of people and we will congregate into specific roles and ideologies just as the very cells in our bodies group together to perform larger functions.
Sure, but I can imagine the US can have larger parties from separate states or some parties that represent a group of states. With the plurality of inhabitants, climates, environments the US just seems like it would be way better suited for a system with a plurality of parties. Representatives based on inhabitants… I dunno one per 500k people or something. And STAR voting system per state instead of first past the pole.
Only if ranked choice voting.
The Nazis came to power with a minority voting support because there were a plurality of parties so they could have the most votes with only around a third of the country supporting their BS.
Ranked choice voting and multiple parties would be grand though
Works for me, but the way the government is built is for the adversarial system, which means two main parties, that’s why there’s a public funding threshold based on the amount of voters for each party. It’s because the founders felt that what basically amounts to political yin & yang will balance our government from getting too conservative or too progressive, it also goes along with Jefferson’s “Tree of liberty” quote, where civil wars were planned for by the architects of our government, meaning that they were accepting of the idea that civil wars may occur often in our nation’s history.
The easiest fix to our adversarial democracy problem is to either lower the public funding voter threshold, which would allow for more parties, or initiate national ranked choice voting, which would allow for better quality candidates while maintaining the adversarial system.
You could argue we already have those, but the 2 groups gets mixed with one. I don’t know the words, but a parliamentary system?
Yeah, I think the trouble with a parliamentary system is that it encourages things to splinter further and it ends up being MORE dysfunctional rather than less…
See…
https://youtu.be/WboggjN_G-4#t=26s
or:
The MAGA contingent is just way too big for this to happen. They would never support a more conservative Democratic Party.
But I wish it would happen.
You mean admitting they’re the conservative party. I’ve been calling the moderates “Republicrats” for years now. They are basically what Republicans were 40ish years ago.
Yeah basically, because in our system there has to be a “conservative” party and a “progressive” party, and you’re right, the old guard Republicans and Democrats that lean more conservative and more authoritative should team up and become the new non-batshit crazy conservative party, as the MAGA(GOP) party loses its legitimacy and slinks back into being the ostracized Far/Alt Right, as they should be.
“Gonna”?
It’s BEEN breaking down since the Tea Party movement in 2010.
How about since McCain picked Sarah’ “pallin’ around with terrorists”, doesn’t rear the news’ Palin?
I think that forensic accountants are going to have fun piecing together exactly what the fuck happened to all the money once MAGA assumed control of the party. I mean how the money got sucked out, as it is well understood who’s currently doing the sucking.
Gonna? lol
I hope so. We do need a peer opposition party in the current scheme of things, this really seems like the best way of achieving it.
The Republican Party has been extremely dysfunctional and getting worse, values showmanship and drama over any actual governing, has lost all its “filters”, doesn’t seem to care how blatantly it lies, how obvious the corruption, etc. I don’t see how even die hard conservatives can agree with that mess.
Yet there are conservatives, they do deserve a legitimate voice, and there’s a good argument that the Progressivism we so desperately need would be better balanced by an alternate voice. How do we return to actual governance again, supporting your constituents, actually valuing the future of the country? How do we restore functioning democracy, yet with the checks and balances that usually have kept us steering mostly center? How do they shake off this cult of personality, religious extremism, corporate ownership? How do they remove their most harmful members while returning to any positive platform?
People here argue for modifications to how we run things, and maybe but that may face unknown negatives. Most importantly, if we can’t do the basic functioning of our legislature, how do we expect them to work on something so far-reaching?
A “factory reset” of the Republican Party is the quickest and easiest approach
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I wish. They have an infinite supply of hateful voters.
Eh not really infinite the last few cycles have proven that
Dont care. Its all Kabuki theatre to distract you from actual issues.
The less you pay attention to what GOP politicians are saying and pretending to care about, the smarter you will be.
If they get trounced in November I could see the party breaking down completely
I can’t wait to disappoint you.
I’m not that hopeful.
… and how would we tell the difference?
It will transform:
The house-of-cards “economy” cannot continue “functioning” forever…
WHEN it collapses, it’ll gut the Dems.
IF it happens early-enough before the 2024-election,
THEN the Republicans win 2024, on the backlash vote.
It will be the Sycophants of Trump, only, then.
I don’t consider it probable that the house-of-cards will continue pretending to be “whole”/functional past August, at the latest.
China was able to suspend trading on The Evergrande Group for 17 months, which I hadn’t forseen, but eventually it returned to trading, & lost … was it 99% of its value, in a few hours?
Citadel+BCG have a very profitable naked-shorting-and-“strategic-management-consulting” racket going, which they used to destroy Sears, to the best of my knowledge, & some 25-ish other major-corporations…
You can see in “The Reverse Cramer Index” that mainstream-media’s systematically pushing the masses to be suckers used/economically-obliterated for the profit of the few ( Cramer’s a msm pusher, doing the exact opposite of what he’s recommending is systematically profitable.
That should result in criminal ( possibly racketeering ) charges against whomever Cramer’s behind-the-scenes pushers are, but … not in this world … not ever, in this world, would evidence-of-market-manipulation-on-such-scale be forced to be accountable )
Anyways, I expect, and could be wrong, that economic-collapse will happen before the 2024-election, and that backlash will gut the leverage of the left, and that US Civil War Part2 will begin within 3-ish years of the Republicans making Trump, whether legal to be so or not, president, and Trump will get to be GEOTUS, dictator of the US, presiding over its conversion-into-carrion.
No-one believes that extreme difference-from-their-belief-nature could be, until it’s too late.
That is why so many go along with murderers who get them to a “secondary crime scene”: they’re assuming they’ll be able to socialize/schmooze their way out, then…
but the secondary-crime-scene is the least survivable place in the world.
The US’s population is about to be relocated to their own secondary-crime-scene, due to their own naiveness, and the consequences will be exactly-typical of such situations.
Simply sit back & watch it unfold:
it’s happening at world-geopolitics pace, not at individual-this-week pace, so it takes awhile.
No point in claiming that 2024-election’s won by either side, until the actual-votes are in, is there?
I bet the Trumpites win, and have been betting so since Covid began, as humankind’s unconscious wants its planet-destroying TANTRUM, and Trump is simply a means of humankind’s unconscious to enact-history/“mythological-significance”.
There is a book “Games People Play”, and another “Scripts People Live”, which both identify unconscious mechanisms that we enact, unwittingly letting scripts live our lives for us … this is similar, but is at the whole-species scale.
Read those 2 books, then try seeing the whole-planet-scale, & see how such-mechanisms are also existing at the vast scale.
My bet is, unfortunately, likely to win.
