Maybe some of the people who move away from the US are also doing their part to help their country in ways you haven’t thought of? They can still advocate for their values and beliefs even of they don’t live in the country. You have a very limited scope on what people are doing and not doing in this situation. You might benefit from calming your ego a little bit and consider that your way isn’t the only way to combat a facistic leader.

It’s good that you try and do your part, I just dislike your superiority complex about it and how you blindly judge anyone who reacts differently than what you deem the right way to handle the situation.

I’m sure you will be in the front of the resistance and put action to your words.

Those who flee when things get bad are also going somewhere for a better life.

And my example of applying your logic still fits as many people who come to the US have fled countries that were going to shit.

Are you going to say that for example every Philippino who has moved away for a better life because the Philippines is pretty shite to live in if your aren’t rich - are cowards?

You can think what I’m saying is annoying all you want, but you cannot just make a blanket statement for people who are leaving the US and calling them cowards without applying that logic to other people in other countries who have done the same. And I think most of us would get a bad taste in our mouths if we started saying that Philippinos are cowards for leaving their country instead of staying and fixing their country. It’s not that simple. Especially not for those groups in society who are being persecuted.

I don’t think that. I’m just applying your logic to the reality of the United States being a nation of immigrants who aren’t native to the land they inhabit. Therefore it is a nation built by cowards. People still migrate to the US today, btw. And they marry the descendants of the cowards so the cowardly traits will never die out there.

Or maybe, just maybe, people who migrate to another country are just looking for ways to live a free and happy life? Maybe those to move some place else have better opportunities somewhere else and they prefer to live in peace with their family rather than being potentially thrown in concentration camps or killed by their government. It is so easy to sit there and say that people who move away from an area are cowards. Just like it is easy for me to make the conclusion that all of US is cowardly because all of them (except the natives) either migrated there or descend from generation upon generation of migrants. You are correct in objecting to that conclusion and calling it strange because that is indeed a strange thing to conclude. Just like it is strange of you to conclude that those who move away from the US currently are cowards. It is strange and a downright foolish statement to make.

It’s relevant because if we go by your logic, then the entire country of USA is made by and for cowards since all of them, except for the native Americans, are either immigrants or descendants of immigrants. Ergo, the United States is inherently cowardly.

Have been donating to them yearly for a few years after they started their donation campaign. I forget how much I donate, but I’m considering raising my yearly donation now xD

Facts don’t care about your feelings, Elon.

Also imagine being so stupid as to, among other things, threaten to annex Greenland and then also ask Denmark to export eggs to America.

Totally agree! I’m not 100% opposed to your idea, I’m just not a good sales person so if I tried to convince people on Facebook to move away from that platform, I would most likely end up being seen as a conspiracy theorist or something like that.

Before I left facebook I did post a comment in my feed where I announced I’d be leaving Facebook within a certain time frame and that people could find me this and that place, at this or that email and on the phone if they had my number. Wrote a bit about why I had had enough of Facebook, didn’t make it political, but focused instead on how Facebook no longer felt like a place where I could interact with family and friends, but more like an advertisement platform where I may be lucky to see one or two posts from people I care about inbetween an endless scroll of ads and brainrot content.

My biggest surprise was how quick some of my friends were to reach out to keep in contact and some were eager to move to Signal so we could still talk conveniently in the future (lets face it, text isnt always the most convenient communication form lol). That was a surprise because I literally thought no one would care that I left.

I will do my best to share things like Signal and the European alternatives with people I care about irl and leave the online convincing to the pros xD I could probably spread the word about feddit on reddit since I haven’t deleted my profile yet, just the app. I feel like reddit would be more open to this since more people on there are invested in online communities unlike most people on Meta who just use those platforms to connect with people they know irl already.

Too late for me haha. I already went off the grid. I think over time I will talk friends into using things like Signal and with family I’ll just let them know how and why I left Meta. Almost no one I know uses reddit or even know it exists so it wouldn’t make sense trying to pull them onto Feddit.

Most of my family members use Meta platforms and are generally indifferent to the problems with that. It is easy and convenient for them and I don’t think they care all that much about it. As far as I know, I am the only one in my family who is “terminally online” for better or worse and most of my family members have a very superficial relationship with the internet - for better or worse. I will only say something about why I left, how I left and what alternatives are if it ever comes up at family gatherings. No one wants to listen to someone who’s trying to push something on them, so casually talking about the hows and why’s I did this and that will be my strategy.

The only one in my family who has always been based (if that word is still okay to use) is my dad. He has been ahead of his time with almost every single issue we all deal with today. Environment, politics, social media, you name it. He told us all super early when Facebook was still new that he wanted no pictures of him on that thing because you never know what they will use people’s information for. He regularly sends me pictures over MMS of articles about current events and today he sent me a list of american products to boykot. I still believe the most important American products to boykot is social medias and not coca cola, toothpaste and body wash. Sure those products are american originally, but they are produced locally by local companies with a license so we would probably hurt local businesses more than american businesses by boycotting them.

Online platforms however, is directly given and monitored by America and leaving them would take away Zuckerburger’s, Bezo’s, Musk’s and Pichai’s power. And by extension America’s power. They have an almost monopoly on the internet today, have discouraged us from seeking and destroyed the growth possibilities for other platforms. In that sende I am grateful for Trump that he is such an insufferable cunt that some of us has finally had enough.

I think, though, that the change will have to happen organically. I will rather talk with friends and family about it irl than return to Meta and play missionary for people who either don’t care or don’t understand what is actually happening right now. I believe the big shift will happen among the youths. They are the future of the internet after all, and they already have made the move to walk away from American platforms and are mostly on tiktok today. I’m sure that if they find that there are other alternatives that restrict them less and allows them to create and speak their minds without massive censorship, they will go there. I have faith in the youth.