• Nangijala@feddit.dk
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      20 hours ago

      It’s relevant because if we go by your logic, then the entire country of USA is made by and for cowards since all of them, except for the native Americans, are either immigrants or descendants of immigrants. Ergo, the United States is inherently cowardly.

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        That’s really strange that you think people are purely determined by their parents… Like, seriously, what?

        But sure, founded by. A nation isn’t determined purely by it’s founders. That still hasn’t explained how this is relevant to what I’m saying.

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          19 hours ago

          I don’t think that. I’m just applying your logic to the reality of the United States being a nation of immigrants who aren’t native to the land they inhabit. Therefore it is a nation built by cowards. People still migrate to the US today, btw. And they marry the descendants of the cowards so the cowardly traits will never die out there.

          Or maybe, just maybe, people who migrate to another country are just looking for ways to live a free and happy life? Maybe those to move some place else have better opportunities somewhere else and they prefer to live in peace with their family rather than being potentially thrown in concentration camps or killed by their government. It is so easy to sit there and say that people who move away from an area are cowards. Just like it is easy for me to make the conclusion that all of US is cowardly because all of them (except the natives) either migrated there or descend from generation upon generation of migrants. You are correct in objecting to that conclusion and calling it strange because that is indeed a strange thing to conclude. Just like it is strange of you to conclude that those who move away from the US currently are cowards. It is strange and a downright foolish statement to make.

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            You applied a perversion of my logic.

            I did not say all immigrants were cowards. I said “people who emigrate in response to things getting bad are cowards.”

            You not reading my sentence in full and instead splicing it to fit your image of me is a tad annoying.

            Effectively, I’m saying those who flee at the start of when things get bad instead of trying to stop it are cowards. If you can make a difference, you should. That’s my viewpoint in life.

            “Going somewhere for a better life” is not what I’m against. “Refusing to attempt to stop the decay of your current space” is what I’m against. People like the leadership dems, who flop down in the face of a foe. That’s cowardice.

            It’s an understandable thing to do. That won’t stop me from thinking they’re cowards.

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              Those who flee when things get bad are also going somewhere for a better life.

              And my example of applying your logic still fits as many people who come to the US have fled countries that were going to shit.

              Are you going to say that for example every Philippino who has moved away for a better life because the Philippines is pretty shite to live in if your aren’t rich - are cowards?

              You can think what I’m saying is annoying all you want, but you cannot just make a blanket statement for people who are leaving the US and calling them cowards without applying that logic to other people in other countries who have done the same. And I think most of us would get a bad taste in our mouths if we started saying that Philippinos are cowards for leaving their country instead of staying and fixing their country. It’s not that simple. Especially not for those groups in society who are being persecuted.

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                I don’t see how the blanket statement is an issue. “Bad taste in your mouth” isn’t exactly a great argument for or against something.

                Fascism is evil. People need to fight it.

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                    so you think no one online ever does anything, huh? I’m already preparing. Voting isn’t enough… Resistance is best when organized, and I’m advocating for my union to take steps to be ready as well as taking them myself. I’m not standing by idle. I campaigned in election season to help fight it there. And now that we lost the election, I’m taking other measures.