I don’t know about you, but if I must leak my private data like a sieve to use the internet, I’d much rather that data go to a government that isn’t governing me!
A government that isn’t governing you … yet and that has no ambitions (/s) to take over as much power as possible in the country you live in, you mean?
I don’t think you’d like ruining your social score by hanging out too much on lemmy and as a result losing access to movies/streaming/games, driving cars and your dog.
Ahh yes, I should be worried about how they could in the future, do something while my current government can make me a fucking slave, legally if they decide to.
Look, I don’t know which country you live in but if you’re worried it might make you a slave, you should riot (if at all possible, that is). Be part of the opposition.
Since the days the first settlers landed here, the backbone of the US economy has been forced labor. It’s only natural that we would enshrine it in our constitution.
So what…?
Not everybody is living in the “default country” and also, with the US we see how well it all works for them and how slavery is not a thing there at all.
“So what?” Unbelievable. You get told Amerika is still a nation of chattel slavery and all you can say about it is ‘so what’? That’s my community, my people they’re bundling off into modern-day slavery, day by day by fucking day where they’re not chalking us out on the fuckin asphalt, and all you can say is ‘so what’.
I hope your mf country collapses. Return to the fuckin dirt with you.
Wow, you said you didn’t know which country had legalized slavery, and I answered and you turned into an obstinate asshole for some reason. What a weird way to behave!
It’s obviously more of a problem when a government that actually has agency over you harvests your data. If you can’t even understand this, then you’re truly lost.
TikTok enacted a very obvious influence campaign to fight this legislation that resulted in congressional phone lines becoming jammed. So what China can do is directly influence our laws.
Problems with this app go beyond just privacy and bleed into national security.
You as a citizen of your country have an obligation to not freely offer yourself up as an attack vector for cybercriminals all so you could fry your brain with garbage media.
Case in point: all the college protests. All the arrests happening are from people being encouraged on TikTok to become aggressive and angry towards apartheid. But the question is how the fuck is protesting at a college going to change what a government in another country is going to do in any way? The Israeli government gives little to no fuck about kids opinions protesting at a college campus in the United States. It’s likely civil unrest being spread by TikTok.
Wait, are you trying to frame “people protesting their government committing genocide” as them violating “their obligation to not freely offer yourself up as an attack vector.”
You’re literally just trying to say that citizens shouldn’t allow themselves to be exposed to views counter to government line.
The US government provides weapons for the genocide.
One of the main campuses in the protests is opening a campus in Israel, which students are opposing until Israel ends genocide and apartheid.
Many of the campuses donate money to or have partnerships with candidates and organizations that are also complicit in the genocide.
Of course Israel isn’t going to stop genocide because a bunch of college students in the US don’t like it. But that doesn’t mean students have to sit idly as their tuition dollars go to fund genocide.
Ok. I’m not going to argue basic facts with a genocide denying fascist who thinks media should be suppressed if it “increases civil unrest” (aka, shows the truth.)
See, this is why it’s not worth arguing with fascists like you. You’re clearly just trolling; you aren’t even bothering to keep your basic positions consistent (see you up and down the thread saying things like “These protests do nothing and only increase civil unrest.” and yet you’re know trying to claim that you’re actually part of the protests and actually Tiktok is trying to ‘legitimize’ them)
Funded by Amerikan money. The government you uplift, and everyone who still supports them after eight months of unmitigated genocide, is complicit. Is a collaborator.
They have very simple demands, they’re not giving some pie in the sky stuff like “have Joe Biden tried for war crimes and abolish capitalism” or something; the protests all have demands along the lines that their university boycott Israeli companies and cut ties with weapons manufacturers aiding the genocide. To claim otherwise is completely infantalising to the protestors who are risking their university positions and physical health to protest despite the police crackdowns.
I’m not sure it’s true that the Israeli government doesn’t care about American public opinion, since they do benefit from American military support, but let’s assume what you said is true.
Even if Americans protesting won’t stop the genocide, won’t end apartheid, I’d prefer that those atrocities are not committed with my tax dollars, with support from my government, in my name. The lesson learned from 9/11 shouldn’t have been “we need to enact regime change anywhere in the world where American interest are opposed”. It should have been “Americans better make sure they are OK with the things that their government is doing abroad”.
I’m not OK with it, I’m not willing to risk dying in a terrorist attack so that Gaza can be levelled with “made in America” munitions. I’m not willing to risk dying in a terrorist attack so that oil companies and other big business interests have friendly regimes to collude with in the region as they scam the people out of their resources and freedoms.
If they don’t care then why did satanyahu come out in a speech against it? Protesting does work and does matter. You only need to look at history to see that
The U.S government doesn’t have the same ability as the CCP to just get whatever info they want out of corporations with no due process. The two are completely incomparable.
What is the difference if both countries access to user data at the end no matter easier or harder way? US is trying to block Tiktok under the name of national security but US itself has been violating other countries’ national security and privacy of people of these countries for years. What bothers me is people like you support this hypocritical action.
Hypocritical action? China’s internet hasn’t allowed external companies to offer services since its inception. All I’m saying is if the US wants to treat Chinese companies like China has treated US companies that should be perfectly fine.
You’re out here complaining that China’s not receiving the same rights it fails to extend to other people and calling that hypocritical??
If the US said “China does not let our companies to operate there so we can not let Chinese companies to operate in the US” I’d be okay for that.
Justifying Tiktok ban in the name of national security and privacy what sounds hypocritical to me.
Fuck Amerika’s national security; I don’t claim this mf country. I don’t even think twice about lying about where I’m from when I’m in international circles that ask me what it is. If someone offered me citizenship with them to Yeonmi Park y’all asses, I’d do it in a new york minute.
Only US tech companies can harvest all that data from their products, I mean, customers.
I mean let’s be honest, that’s slightly better than US companies plus the Chinese Communist Party being able to do so.
I don’t know about you, but if I must leak my private data like a sieve to use the internet, I’d much rather that data go to a government that isn’t governing me!
A government that isn’t governing you … yet and that has no ambitions (/s) to take over as much power as possible in the country you live in, you mean?
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I don’t think you’d like ruining your social score by hanging out too much on lemmy and as a result losing access to movies/streaming/games, driving cars and your dog.
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I have enough hate for both governments, no worries.
No you don’t. Not a single misbegotten anglo son in the west has ever meant the former when they say “neither washington nor beijing”.
Ahh yes, I should be worried about how they could in the future, do something while my current government can make me a fucking slave, legally if they decide to.
Look, I don’t know which country you live in but if you’re worried it might make you a slave, you should riot (if at all possible, that is). Be part of the opposition.
The 13th Amendment to the United States Constitution provides that “Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.”
Damn I thought private prisons were a loophole and not in the constitution to punish people with slave labor.
Since the days the first settlers landed here, the backbone of the US economy has been forced labor. It’s only natural that we would enshrine it in our constitution.
So what…?
Not everybody is living in the “default country” and also, with the US we see how well it all works for them and how slavery is not a thing there at all.
“So what?” Unbelievable. You get told Amerika is still a nation of chattel slavery and all you can say about it is ‘so what’? That’s my community, my people they’re bundling off into modern-day slavery, day by day by fucking day where they’re not chalking us out on the fuckin asphalt, and all you can say is ‘so what’.
I hope your mf country collapses. Return to the fuckin dirt with you.
Wow, you said you didn’t know which country had legalized slavery, and I answered and you turned into an obstinate asshole for some reason. What a weird way to behave!
E: ah, wait, German. That makes sense.
They still can, they just have to go back to buying that data lmao
Everybody Sucks Here
It’s obviously more of a problem when a government that actually has agency over you harvests your data. If you can’t even understand this, then you’re truly lost.
Not having the choice is slightly worse I’d say.
What can China do to you? You don’t live there.
TikTok enacted a very obvious influence campaign to fight this legislation that resulted in congressional phone lines becoming jammed. So what China can do is directly influence our laws.
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Why?
Because your government can use the information against you while a government on the other side of the planet can’t.
Used to be true. See countries affecting populations in foreign countries. Propaganda is not local.
Because definitionally, fewer people doing a bad thing is better than more people doing a bad thing?
Problems with this app go beyond just privacy and bleed into national security.
You as a citizen of your country have an obligation to not freely offer yourself up as an attack vector for cybercriminals all so you could fry your brain with garbage media.
Capitalism is a national security threat
I hate America though
Please explain how using tiktok constitutes “offering yourself up as an attack vector”
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It’s great how liberals are now indistinguishable from your average racist, paranoid, Qanon chud.
just a case of the mask falling off
Case in point: all the college protests. All the arrests happening are from people being encouraged on TikTok to become aggressive and angry towards apartheid. But the question is how the fuck is protesting at a college going to change what a government in another country is going to do in any way? The Israeli government gives little to no fuck about kids opinions protesting at a college campus in the United States. It’s likely civil unrest being spread by TikTok.
Wait, are you trying to frame “people protesting their government committing genocide” as them violating “their obligation to not freely offer yourself up as an attack vector.”
You’re literally just trying to say that citizens shouldn’t allow themselves to be exposed to views counter to government line.
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Israel is dropping US bombs. 🙄
How is protesting at a college going to stop it?
The colleges have relationships with the companies that make the bombs and have direct investments in Israel.
The US government provides weapons for the genocide.
One of the main campuses in the protests is opening a campus in Israel, which students are opposing until Israel ends genocide and apartheid.
Many of the campuses donate money to or have partnerships with candidates and organizations that are also complicit in the genocide.
Of course Israel isn’t going to stop genocide because a bunch of college students in the US don’t like it. But that doesn’t mean students have to sit idly as their tuition dollars go to fund genocide.
Ok. I’m not going to argue basic facts with a genocide denying fascist who thinks media should be suppressed if it “increases civil unrest” (aka, shows the truth.)
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The cops start mass arrests regardless of aggression.
See, this is why it’s not worth arguing with fascists like you. You’re clearly just trolling; you aren’t even bothering to keep your basic positions consistent (see you up and down the thread saying things like “These protests do nothing and only increase civil unrest.” and yet you’re know trying to claim that you’re actually part of the protests and actually Tiktok is trying to ‘legitimize’ them)
Funded by Amerikan money. The government you uplift, and everyone who still supports them after eight months of unmitigated genocide, is complicit. Is a collaborator.
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They have very simple demands, they’re not giving some pie in the sky stuff like “have Joe Biden tried for war crimes and abolish capitalism” or something; the protests all have demands along the lines that their university boycott Israeli companies and cut ties with weapons manufacturers aiding the genocide. To claim otherwise is completely infantalising to the protestors who are risking their university positions and physical health to protest despite the police crackdowns.
Here’s a link to the list of demands of the student protest in new York, for instance
And here’s a picture of the list of the demands of the columbia faculty protest:
I dunno, I absolutely want to see Genocide Joe internationally tried for aiding and abetting a genocide.
THEY ARE TRYING TO STOP THE GENOCIDE BEING PERPETRATED IN THEIR NAME
WTF is wrong with you?
They are a genuine fascist.
College protests have been a thing since Vietnam. Look up Kent State.
It wasn’t China that gave them the idea, it was history.
And it’s working. More and more people are sympathizing with Palestine the more the government overreacts to peaceful protests.
I’m not sure it’s true that the Israeli government doesn’t care about American public opinion, since they do benefit from American military support, but let’s assume what you said is true.
Even if Americans protesting won’t stop the genocide, won’t end apartheid, I’d prefer that those atrocities are not committed with my tax dollars, with support from my government, in my name. The lesson learned from 9/11 shouldn’t have been “we need to enact regime change anywhere in the world where American interest are opposed”. It should have been “Americans better make sure they are OK with the things that their government is doing abroad”.
I’m not OK with it, I’m not willing to risk dying in a terrorist attack so that Gaza can be levelled with “made in America” munitions. I’m not willing to risk dying in a terrorist attack so that oil companies and other big business interests have friendly regimes to collude with in the region as they scam the people out of their resources and freedoms.
If they don’t care then why did satanyahu come out in a speech against it? Protesting does work and does matter. You only need to look at history to see that
Pretty sure people protesting in the US are trying to influence the US govt.
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As if all these other social medias don’t have garbage media or propaganda
We must return to AOL and Friendster.
That’s not the point
Entire world should ban US based apps in this case.
The U.S government doesn’t have the same ability as the CCP to just get whatever info they want out of corporations with no due process. The two are completely incomparable.
Do you seriously believe in this?
Do I honestly believe China has an easier time getting corporations to bend over and violate their citizens rights? Why do you need to clarify this??
What is the difference if both countries access to user data at the end no matter easier or harder way? US is trying to block Tiktok under the name of national security but US itself has been violating other countries’ national security and privacy of people of these countries for years. What bothers me is people like you support this hypocritical action.
Hypocritical action? China’s internet hasn’t allowed external companies to offer services since its inception. All I’m saying is if the US wants to treat Chinese companies like China has treated US companies that should be perfectly fine.
You’re out here complaining that China’s not receiving the same rights it fails to extend to other people and calling that hypocritical??
If the US said “China does not let our companies to operate there so we can not let Chinese companies to operate in the US” I’d be okay for that. Justifying Tiktok ban in the name of national security and privacy what sounds hypocritical to me.
Fuck Amerika’s national security; I don’t claim this mf country. I don’t even think twice about lying about where I’m from when I’m in international circles that ask me what it is. If someone offered me citizenship with them to Yeonmi Park y’all asses, I’d do it in a new york minute.