Money
Fuck off, Fuckerberg.
Aww come on. There’s plenty to be mad at Zuckerberg about, but releasing Llama under a semi-permissive license was a massive gift to the world. It gave independent researchers access to a working LLM for the first time. For example, Deepseek got their start messing around with Llama derivatives back in the day (though, to be clear, their MIT-licensed V3 and R1 models are not Llama derivatives).
As for open training data, its a good ideal but I don’t think it’s a realistic possibility for any organization that wants to build a workable LLM. These things use trillions of documents in training, and no matter how hard you try to clean the data, there’s definitely going to be something lawyers can find to sue you over. No organization is going to open themselves up to the liability. And if you gimp your data set, you get a dumb AI that nobody wants to use.
Is it for control, money? Of course it is.
Looking at any picture of mark suckerberg makes you believe that they are very much ahead with AI and robotics.
Either way, fuck Facebook, stop trying to ruin everything good in the world.
Because he’s a massive douche?
I don’t get it. What would they redefine it to?
Did you read the article?
Ask “OpenAI”
He is definitely in the same list as Trump and Elon Musk.
Because he’s an insecure and greedy child.
He’s also a sociopath who will say and do anything to get his way.
You’re right, he’s a very complex asshole, indeed!
What are we going to do with the colonisers?
water the tree of liberty? 🥰
I dont give a fuck what you want mark. nobody is. what i want is for you to fuck off.
Money? Is it money?
clicks article
For Meta, it’s all about the money.
Shocking.
I taught myself programming in the 80s, then worked myself from waitress and line cook to programmer, UXD, and design lead to the point of being in the running for an Apple design award in the 2010s.
But I cared more than anything about making things FOR people. Making like easier. Making people happy. Making software that was a joy to use.
Then I got sick with something that’s neither curable nor easily manageable.
Now I’m destitute and have to choose between medicine and food, and I’m staring down homelessness. (eta I was homeless from age 16-18, and I won’t do that again now, with autoimmune dysautonomia and in my mid-50s, even if the alternative is final.)
Fuck these idiots who bought their way into nerd status (like Musk) or had one hot idea that took off and didn’t have to do anything after (this fucking guy). Hundreds or thousands of designers and programmers made these companies, and were tossed out like trash so a couple of people can be rock stars, making more per hour than most of us will see in a lifetime.
Slay the dragons.
I’m sorry you had to go through this and are suffering. There are people that can (literally) feel your pain, I hope that can give some comfort.
I’m lucky to be in Europe, otherwise I would (very likely) be dead and broke if not.
I mean, didn’t he famously steal the idea?
His “idea” was about how to monetize a concept already in existence on MySpace, facilitated by completely ignoring any ethical constraints. That, and a snobbery-based product launch through the Ivies.
You’re right. I forgot about the lawsuit and settlement (for $65m). They’re both frauds.
We’re trying! You didn’t know Karla when you were there did you? She had the best stories about Spain.
I knew a Karla, but she was from Romania. Fantastic person. I miss her.
For Meta, it’s all about the money.
And avoiding regulation
Well yeah, because following regulations has an impact on the bottom line.
Well, they have almost always circumvented them instead, but that impacts the bottom line too.
But at least that way they get to power trip
Yup, lawyers are expensive
One is in direct relation with the other
The time it took me to reach this conclusion, after seeing the headline, is measured in quectoseconds.
That’s alotl seconds!
Several thousand is a lot, sure.
Kinda funny how when mega corps can benefit from the millions upon millions of developer hours that they’re not paying for they’re all for open source. But when the mega corps have to ante up (with massive hardware purchases out of reach of any of said developers) they’re suddenly less excited about sharing their work.
I’ve been begging my company to commit to 1% of our revenue toward open source software we use.
It would be life changing for many of these devs.
I’m begging for far less, like 0.001%.
Very much unsuccessful so far.
You are describing parasitic behavior
A cancer does this also.
Billionaires are a cancer on the body politic.
Luigi: Someone asked for cancer extermination?
How about a no.
Yes
Meta’s Llama models also impose licensing restrictions on its users. For example, if you have an extremely successful AI program that uses Llama code, you’ll have to pay Meta to use it. That’s not open source. Period.
open source != no license restrictions
According to Meta, “Existing open source definitions for software do not encompass the complexities of today’s rapidly advancing AI models. We are committed to keep working with the industry on new definitions to serve everyone safely and responsibly within the AI community.”
i think, he’s got a point, tho
is ai open source, when the trainig data isn’t?
as i understand, right now: yes, it’s enough, that the code is open source. and i think that’s a big problemi’m not deep into ai, so correct me if i’m wrong.
Software licenses that “discriminate against any person or group of persons” or “restrict anyone from making use of the program in a specific field of endeavor” are not open source. Llama’s license doesn’t just restrict Llama from being used by companies with “700 million monthly active users”, it also restricts Llama from being used to “create, train, fine tune, or otherwise improve an AI model” or being used for military purposes (although Meta made an exception for the US military). Therefore, Llama is not open source.
The license shall not restrict any party from selling or giving away the software as a component of an aggregate software distribution containing programs from several different sources
So as I understand it, under the OSI definition of the word, anything distributed under a copyleft licence would not be open source.
So all software with GNU GPL, for example.
That’s incorrect. GPL licenses are open source.
The GPL does not restrict anyone from selling or distributing GPL-licensed software as a component of an aggregate software distribution. For example, all Linux distributions contain GPL-licensed software, as the Linux kernel is GPLv2.
Open source software doesn’t, by definition, place restrictions on usage.
The license must not restrict anyone from making use of the program in a specific field of endeavor.
Clauses like “you can use this software freely except in specific circumstances” fly against that. Open source licenses usually have very little to say about what the software should be used for, and usually just as an affirmation that you can use the software for whatever you want.
I don’t think any of our classical open licenses from the 80s and 90s were ever created with AI in mind. They are inadequate. An update or new one is needed.
Stallman, spit out the toe cheese and get to work.
The OSI have had a go: https://opensource.org/ai/open-source-ai-definition
To note is that this definition was discussed for awhile with many engineers in the AI field, including from Meta.
I understand the same way and I think there’s a lot of gray area which makes it hard to just say “the data also needs to be open source for the code to be open source”. What would that mean for postgreSQL? Does it magically turn closed source if I don’t share what’s in my db? What would it mean to every open source software that stores and uses that stored data?
I’m not saying the AI models shouldn’t be open source, I’m saying reigning in the models needs to be done very carefully because it’s very easy to overreach and open up a whole other can of worms.
PostgreSQL is not built on top of the data you host in your db. It’s not a valid comparison.
