• FlowVoid@lemmy.world
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    5 hours ago

    If leftists think Trump best listens to the working class, then leftists should start advising Republicans instead of Democrats.

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      4 hours ago

      Trump agreed with the working class that the economy is in the shitter. He lied about wanting to fix it.

      Harris declared anyone who thought the economy was in the shitter was hallucinating, and they just need to shut up, and vote for her, because “I’m not Donald”.

      That’s the difference. And Harris’ strategy was a losing one.

      No leftist has any illusion on if either oligarch truly wanted to represent us, rather than their actual constituents: other oligarchs.

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          2 hours ago

          I suppose that’s a take… I mean, the Dems could of course lie to the working class, just to win votes. Like they did under Obama, Clinton, etc. Or, they could, you know, not lie to the working class, and actually enact change?

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            2 hours ago

            You just told me the difference between Harris and Trump is that Trump lied to the working class, and that’s why Harris lost.

            The only logical conclusion is that you believe lying to the working class is a winning strategy.

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              2 hours ago

              The difference is Harris lied to the working class too, by stating the economy is doing great. Or, she’s completely disconnected with the reality of the working class?

              The only logical conclusion is that you believe lying to the working class is a winning strategy.

              No, that’s your very, very, myopic reading of what I wrote… Especially after clarifying. It’s almost like you’re being purposefully obtuse, or something.

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                2 hours ago

                The economy is traditionally measured by GDP growth, unemployment, and inflation. All those numbers were good when Harris was running.

                If you want to redefine “good economy”, that’s on you.

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                  he economy is traditionally measured by GDP growth, unemployment, and inflation. All those numbers were good when Harris was running.

                  Ah, so we only care about the numbers that show if the economy is working for the oligarchs, and not the working class?

                  I don’t care if the economy is good for oligarchs, and makes it easy and profitable to exploit the working class… And, honestly, the working class voters don’t care if stonks go up, if their stomachs are empty.

                  If you want to redefine “good economy”, that’s on you.

                  I’m not “redefining” a “good economy”… There are many numbers behind an economy… Wealth distribution, maternal deaths, infant deaths, educational outcomes, monetary velocity, etc etc.

                  We can pick any set of numbers to talk about, but objectively, the economy is not good, nor has it been good, for the working class since 2002 or so.