• FlowVoid@lemmy.world
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    5 hours ago

    I don’t believe leftists actually know “the only way to win elections and hold power”, considering they have accomplished neither.

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      4 hours ago

      Probably because neither is our goal? I mean, leftists want no state, no classes, and no money.

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        3 hours ago

        Democrats definitely don’t want a stateless society. So they definitely should not listen to leftists.

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          3 hours ago

          In which case, I cannot argue with. Which means the Democrats most certainly do not support the interests of the working class, and just want power over others. Which means, none of us should be voting for them, or the GOP.

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            2 hours ago

            Plenty of people in the working class don’t want a stateless society, either.

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              2 hours ago

              Plenty of people in the working class want a fascist dictator too… That’s why its our job to work on raising class consciousness still.

              And yes, the majoritarianism argument is to be had, as well.

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                2 hours ago

                So by “interests of the working class”, you don’t mean “listen to the working class”. You mean “tell the working class what their interests are”.

                Classic leftist. And you accuse Democrats of wanting power over others.

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                  2 hours ago

                  So by “interests of the working class”, you don’t mean “listen to the working class”. You mean “tell the working class what their interests are”.

                  No, I mean “listen to, and address them”… ie, the economy is in the shitter. The working class is telling you its in the shitter. So, agree that’s what they are facing, and then doing something about it, that actually solves the problem.

                  So, no, I do not mean “telling them what their interests are”, we already know what the interests of the working class is: Economic security, housing security, food security, and access to health care and education.

                  A lot of working class folks think the causes of those issues are: Brown people, women working, women voting, not being christian… etc etc. All of those are easily debunked as the cause, so the job is to educate them by showing them the root cause of those issues: The current ruling class of oligarchs, not their fellow workers.

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                    2 hours ago

                    No, I mean “listen to, and address them”.

                    Are you listening when the vast majority tell you they don’t want a stateless society?