• Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world
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    7 hours ago

    Which applies to the party that lost to trump twice as well. In addition, the general election doesn’t have the party putting its thumb on the scale like the primaries do. If the party deigns to have primaries at all.

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      7 hours ago

      Democrats defeated Trump once, which is still better than the track record of leftists.

      The DNC has a primary whenever a challenger gathers enough signatures and submits them on time. I realize that can be a high bar for leftists.

      And if you don’t think the GOP unfairly influences the general election, then you need to google “voter suppression”.

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        6 hours ago

        Democrats defeated Trump once, which is still better than the track record of leftists.

        Democrats don’t let progressives win primaries if they can help it. Gloat.

        And if you don’t think the GOP unfairly influences the general election, then you need to google “voter suppression”.

        Which is a problem for centrists too.

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          6 hours ago

          Nobody “lets” someone win an election. Progressives need to earn their votes like everyone else. And if they earn enough votes, then they win regardless of what other Democrats think.

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            6 hours ago

            Nobody “lets” someone win an election.

            The party prevents progressives from winning if they can. Every progressive who has won a primary in the past decade or so has done so despite the party putting its thumb on the scale for their opponent.

            Progressives need to earn their votes like everyone else.

            It’s weird seeing a centrist say that votes need to be earned after they lost twice by acting entitled to votes.

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              6 hours ago

              Everyone who has ever won a contested primary faced opposition from within their own party.

              Leftists are ones who feel entitled to win an election without any opposition.

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                5 hours ago

                Everyone who has ever won a contested primary faced opposition from within their own party.

                The opposing candidate, yes. The entire party apparatus, no.

                Leftists are ones who feel entitled to win an election without any opposition.

                “Any opposition” does not mean having to fight the party instead of just your opponent.

                Centrists want to ignore the voters’ concerns and still expect their votes without question. That’s what entitlement looks like.

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                  5 hours ago

                  Party leaders get one vote each, just like everyone else. They can’t stop leftists from voting. So if leftist candidates want to win, they simply need to get more votes than their opponents.

                  And if leftists are discouraged by opposition from “the party apparatus”, they are going to be devastated when they find out about the massive electoral advantages of incumbency. Incumbents win >90% of their elections!

                  With all their whining about “party apparatus”, frankly I think most leftists don’t have the stomach to take on an incumbent. Which basically means they will never win an election.