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    The only difference between the Russian and US system is that instead of having one big party whose interests are entirely separated from the public and which completely crushes any opposition parties, we have two big parties whose interests are entirely separated from the public and which completely crush all opposition parties.

    A sham democracy if there ever was one, but that’s because the purpose of indirect democracy is less to decide on policy and more to select a strongman leader that’s most appealing.

    The Russian election was “rigged” in that there was only controlled opposition… But this is also not an inherently unique feature. When was the last time a US President was neither Democrat nor Republican?

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      The US needs ranked choice voting badly, but to say the only difference between the US and Russia is the two party system is just straight up incorrect. Opposition leaders and dissidents do not get regularly assassinated by the government in the US for starters.

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          The US has done some fucked up shit, no doubt, but that is about messing with foreign countries and has nothing to do with what we’re talking about here: The US internally disappearing and/or killing anyone who speaks out against it.

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            The son of someone involved in a literal fascist overthrow plot in the 30s became the head of the CIA which takes over governments then the President. His son then stole an election and allowed 9/11 to happen

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                You live in a fascist country that the CIA literally overthrew the government of then instituted a crisis which ushered in a police state. Lots of people disappear and you don’t know because they run your media. Your country maintains black sites around the world including Guantanamo Bay. Your electrify the balls of people and say welp we tortured some folks. You don’t hear about it because whistleblowers regularly wind up dead. Consider yourself lucky that you are white passing enough or have enough money that you are protected from this and get to live in a bubble.

                Death to America

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                    Opposition leaders and dissidents do not get regularly assassinated by the government in the US for starters.

                    The US internally disappearing and/or killing anyone who speaks out against it.

                    Yes they do. What do you think happened to Martin Luther King Jr, Malcom X or Fred Hampton? What do you think happened or all the budding leaders you never hear about. You have a child’s understanding of the world you live in.

                    Because you have no historical or material context at all this needs to be explained to you. You live in a totalitarian fascist police state and are not informed of the death that occurs around you.

                    Nice that you can throw around big words like non sequitur. You only can’t follow this because you have an American education.

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        Personally I’d say score voting would make the most sense. Essentially it works like this, you get a list of parties and you vote them 1-5 on how much you agree with them. This changes the whole dynamics as you now aren’t choosing who will rule, but how much you agree with each party ideologically and forcing you to research on their proposed mandate plans. It also serves as sort of an evaluation of how do you think each party has been addressing the country’s issues before the election.

        Mathematically, this may not ensure always the most happiness, but it ensures the least unhappiness compared to all current known voting methods (you can easily find research on how this was calculated in many papers on mathematics).

        Personally i would also propose returning to the old Roman and the first proposed French republic system of having 2-3 consuls of the most voted for parties and they take turns proposing legislation to a senate that’s a direct seated representation of the voting results.

        As an interesting tidbit, the reason we have a president/prime Minister with all the power in most western democracies, is because Napoleon altered the original proposed 3 consul system into a prime consul with all the power then minor ministers because he was aiming to become Emperor and wanted to centralize the power. Our democratic systems are strongly influenced by the first French republic post the French revolution.

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      US politics is absolutely retarded but at least you aren’t going to fall out of a window for criticizing the president.

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          Oh yea, true but that less about politics and more about capitalist creed. The US also has a police system that seemingly runs on the ritual sacrifice of innumerable black folk and pets but that is also not relevant.

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            How can you possibly separate politics from capitalist greed. The government represents the class that holds power, and US it’s the capital owning class.

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              In Russia the olicarchs are directly ruling the country so you can’t criticise them without endangering your life. In the US the capitalist class heavily influences the politics but isnt the one directly ruling the country so you can criticise the politicians all you want. That’s the difference I was pointing out.

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      The Russian election was “rigged” in that there was only controlled opposition

      Incorrect. They were rigged pretty much completely, as some data shows. Something about 30 million fake votes.