Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez came out in support of President Joe Biden amid growing calls in the Democratic Party for Biden to drop out of the 2024 race.
This continues to be a disingenuous meme response. If they named a name you’d complain that they were trying to install their choice rather than have an open selection process.
My best alternative choice would be Bernie but I don’t think he’d actually beat Trump because he’d lose some centrists, doesn’t seem particularly less old, and hasn’t held presidential office before. What’s your choice?
It’s two separate questions, and the second has basically only two answers: it’s either Harris or some sort of open contest voted on by the delegates. Most “replace” voices don’t care which of those options is selected nearly as much as they care that the guy who’s going to lose can’t be the nominee.
And my personal choice is “I don’t care”. Harris is fine, the governors are fine, Buttigieg is unlikely but fine. I’m not going to pretend the party or Biden’s own delegates is going to choose a progressive. None of them is going to cause a seismic shift in the candidate’s policy except for getting a chance to choose a better message on Israel and any will fulfill the need of ditching the losing incumbent who only made the race worse in his one key public appearance. Their one and only qualification is that unlike Biden, they might not lose. And that’s plenty for me.
So basically your answer is you don’t care because you’re pissing your pants scared right now.
Harris won’t beat him, literally everyone knows that, which is why no one is suggesting her. Your idea of pitting “I dunno whoever the dems elect, they’re probably fine” is quite frankly preposterous on its face. Pick someone and advocate for them, or learn to shut up and not scream chicken little.
No I asked for names because tearing down options without presenting new ones is what Russian propagandists do. Not what people who don’t want Trump to win do.
Franken comes off just as old and won’t win over centrist voters, Harris is possibly less charismatic than Clinton, Buttigieg would be a great president and I would support his candidacy all the way, but realistically I don’t know if America would rally behind him by November, Newsom might but he might also be a Mitt Romney, Whitmer I don’t know enough about.
If you wanna champion Biden to step aside for Franken, go for it, but I quite frankly have an extremely hard time seeing him beat Trump.
I don’t think that’s a disingenuous response. I can name a lot of people I liked who ran in the primaries in '20 as well as a slew of up and coming names. I don’t think they have as strong a chance as Biden.
Like many have already said, I think that focusing on a lackluster debate (in which he actually responded well based on the content of his responses and the policy he promoted) is not the way to go about this.
As much as I like other names for the presidency, I think Biden is our best shot at staving off disaster and he did get a lot done with the Inflation Reduction Act. Another four years of that policy trajectory is definitely something I can get behind. That’s at least a step in the right direction.
And I think Biden is going to lose and any of the shortlist names have a reasonable chance of injecting some life into the party and most importantly haven’t been fatally damaged, not by “a lackluster debate”, but by being unable to make coherent responses. Biden had lackluster debates in the 2020 primary, that didn’t invalidate him from being nominee, because it was just a poor performance, not indications that at least some of the time he’s incoherent.
You are assuming that the debate invalidated Biden for everyone else just because you feel that way. You also are very confident in your prediction of Biden losing, to the point of absurdity. Somehow you can predict the future now? Go on reference the “polls”!
All the (very liberal) late night hosts are making fun of him. Members of Congress are publicly saying he should step down. Donors are publicly abandoning him. Half of Democrats think he should step down. It doesn’t need to be everyone. He doesn’t have headroom to lose practically anyone.
Go on reference the “polls”!
I would never want to give you fake news. Stop the steal.
I’m just saying that not everyone thinks the president is some god king of America, and that democrats lead as a party anyways so what would it matter if Biden turns into a senile puppet until he dies, to be replaced by the next democrat who will follow the exact same policies as Biden was.
It just doesnt seem very dire. “What if he can’t keep a conversation soon!” Oh well, he can step down and kamala can take over.
Any democrat we replace Biden with for the election will have all the same issues with the same voter blocks. It seems like an over reaction both ways.
After the convention replacing the nominee becomes very hard, and we’d really like to not waste time with a nominee who can’t go out after 8 pm. And no, any replacement will not have the same issues. Not being able to campaign coherently is a major issue unique to Joe Biden. That’s huge. Campaigns are won or lost on the ability of the leader to sway people to their side.
I haven’t based any of my voting decisions on speeches in a long time. I just dont think thats a good way to learn about someone and their policies. I usually look to recent actions, and definitely Biden is a mixed bag, but the Democratic party is a mixed bag as a whole right now.
I’m seeing a lot of people pointing at what they see is a problem, but then posit no better solutions. I also dont think its right to expect perfection or bust like some others seem to say.
I do think its interesting that there are so many different opinions on all of this stuff. I’m not sure entirely why the different perspectives exist, I know they are all valid at least. For me, I see steady progress about as quick as I think possible, for others they might see no progress or backsliding, and at different speeds.
For me the right time to have chosen someone else besides Biden was in 2020. And I will also admit that I personally would vote for Bernie Sanders if he were running for president but I’m not sure he would actually perform better than Biden in voting nationally. I’d like to think he would, but I know some older voters who would vote for Biden wouldn’t vote for Bernie, so its hard to guess on.
This continues to be a disingenuous meme response. If they named a name you’d complain that they were trying to install their choice rather than have an open selection process.
Try me. I’m waiting. No one has named a name.
My best alternative choice would be Bernie but I don’t think he’d actually beat Trump because he’d lose some centrists, doesn’t seem particularly less old, and hasn’t held presidential office before. What’s your choice?
It’s two separate questions, and the second has basically only two answers: it’s either Harris or some sort of open contest voted on by the delegates. Most “replace” voices don’t care which of those options is selected nearly as much as they care that the guy who’s going to lose can’t be the nominee.
And my personal choice is “I don’t care”. Harris is fine, the governors are fine, Buttigieg is unlikely but fine. I’m not going to pretend the party or Biden’s own delegates is going to choose a progressive. None of them is going to cause a seismic shift in the candidate’s policy except for getting a chance to choose a better message on Israel and any will fulfill the need of ditching the losing incumbent who only made the race worse in his one key public appearance. Their one and only qualification is that unlike Biden, they might not lose. And that’s plenty for me.
So basically your answer is you don’t care because you’re pissing your pants scared right now.
Harris won’t beat him, literally everyone knows that, which is why no one is suggesting her. Your idea of pitting “I dunno whoever the dems elect, they’re probably fine” is quite frankly preposterous on its face. Pick someone and advocate for them, or learn to shut up and not scream chicken little.
You asked for names intending to dismiss any reply.
No I asked for names because tearing down options without presenting new ones is what Russian propagandists do. Not what people who don’t want Trump to win do.
Here, watch. Franken, Harris, Buttigieg, Newsom. Whitmer.
Now do what you intended to do when you asked the question and dismiss.
All of whom have explicitly said they don’t want to run. And they back Joe Biden.
Gimme a viable candidate here.
Franken comes off just as old and won’t win over centrist voters, Harris is possibly less charismatic than Clinton, Buttigieg would be a great president and I would support his candidacy all the way, but realistically I don’t know if America would rally behind him by November, Newsom might but he might also be a Mitt Romney, Whitmer I don’t know enough about.
If you wanna champion Biden to step aside for Franken, go for it, but I quite frankly have an extremely hard time seeing him beat Trump.
There ya go. Would you like more names to dismiss?
LOL. Sure bud. Definitely turning my “disingenuous” opinion around with all this dumb internet posturing.
Newsom with barrack Obama as VP
VP has to be allowed to become P.
Doesn’t actually say that in the constitution, it’s untested
It’s in the 12th amendment. Prior to that the VP was the runner up, so they had to be eligible to even be in the race.
Guess which court would rule on that issue.
I mean, that’s what happened with Biden, so it’s kind of a lateral move.
I don’t think that’s a disingenuous response. I can name a lot of people I liked who ran in the primaries in '20 as well as a slew of up and coming names. I don’t think they have as strong a chance as Biden.
Like many have already said, I think that focusing on a lackluster debate (in which he actually responded well based on the content of his responses and the policy he promoted) is not the way to go about this.
As much as I like other names for the presidency, I think Biden is our best shot at staving off disaster and he did get a lot done with the Inflation Reduction Act. Another four years of that policy trajectory is definitely something I can get behind. That’s at least a step in the right direction.
And I think Biden is going to lose and any of the shortlist names have a reasonable chance of injecting some life into the party and most importantly haven’t been fatally damaged, not by “a lackluster debate”, but by being unable to make coherent responses. Biden had lackluster debates in the 2020 primary, that didn’t invalidate him from being nominee, because it was just a poor performance, not indications that at least some of the time he’s incoherent.
You are assuming that the debate invalidated Biden for everyone else just because you feel that way. You also are very confident in your prediction of Biden losing, to the point of absurdity. Somehow you can predict the future now? Go on reference the “polls”!
All the (very liberal) late night hosts are making fun of him. Members of Congress are publicly saying he should step down. Donors are publicly abandoning him. Half of Democrats think he should step down. It doesn’t need to be everyone. He doesn’t have headroom to lose practically anyone.
I would never want to give you fake news. Stop the steal.
I’m just saying that not everyone thinks the president is some god king of America, and that democrats lead as a party anyways so what would it matter if Biden turns into a senile puppet until he dies, to be replaced by the next democrat who will follow the exact same policies as Biden was.
It just doesnt seem very dire. “What if he can’t keep a conversation soon!” Oh well, he can step down and kamala can take over.
Any democrat we replace Biden with for the election will have all the same issues with the same voter blocks. It seems like an over reaction both ways.
After the convention replacing the nominee becomes very hard, and we’d really like to not waste time with a nominee who can’t go out after 8 pm. And no, any replacement will not have the same issues. Not being able to campaign coherently is a major issue unique to Joe Biden. That’s huge. Campaigns are won or lost on the ability of the leader to sway people to their side.
I haven’t based any of my voting decisions on speeches in a long time. I just dont think thats a good way to learn about someone and their policies. I usually look to recent actions, and definitely Biden is a mixed bag, but the Democratic party is a mixed bag as a whole right now.
I’m seeing a lot of people pointing at what they see is a problem, but then posit no better solutions. I also dont think its right to expect perfection or bust like some others seem to say.
I do think its interesting that there are so many different opinions on all of this stuff. I’m not sure entirely why the different perspectives exist, I know they are all valid at least. For me, I see steady progress about as quick as I think possible, for others they might see no progress or backsliding, and at different speeds.
For me the right time to have chosen someone else besides Biden was in 2020. And I will also admit that I personally would vote for Bernie Sanders if he were running for president but I’m not sure he would actually perform better than Biden in voting nationally. I’d like to think he would, but I know some older voters who would vote for Biden wouldn’t vote for Bernie, so its hard to guess on.