“And so I come full circle on this response and just want to encourage you with some substance that we are in the process of the second American Revolution, which will remain bloodless if the left allows it to be,” he said.

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    They forget how many of us gun owning liberals there are.

    Without an organization and leadership to coordinate action, that’s not particularly useful.

    Movement conservatism is scary because it’s a movement, not just a bunch of nutjobs who all happen to own guns.

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      Guerilla warfare is incredibly effective. The only thing that has a chance of overcoming it is coordinated national military might, and even then its a shitshow.

      Seeing as the military is at about a 45/55 liberal/conservative split, with the majority of officers being liberal, they dont even have that on lockdown.

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        Guerilla warfare is incredibly effective.

        Kids love to read about the American Revolution, Vietnam and Afghanistan, or the Cuban Revolt (that finally succeeded). They’re less excited to read about Grenada, Guatamala, the Spanish Republicans, the Hungarian Revolt, the century of Cuban revolutions that failed, the American Confederacy, the Battle of Blair Mountain, the Greek Civil War, the Philippines, or the American Natives.

        Guerrilla Warfare is incredibly bloody affair. Rebels rarely live to see the revolt successfully concluded even when it does succeed. The problem with wars of attrition are that they get a lot of their participants killed.

        Who here actually wants to die for their cause?

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          Who here actually wants to die for their cause?

          When people I know and love are being threatened with violence and death for a cause they aren’t even fighting for? Yeah, I’ll roll those dice.

          All that is required for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.

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          Gangs die for less. Fred Hampton was going to give them a cause and make them into freedom fighters, and that made the government very very scared.

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              Nah, more like some dead family members from gang violence (I had a dumb but lovable cousin). But you’re right, I can’t really say whether they’re dieing for a cause, I meant it more as “dieing for a lesser cause” than emancipation.

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      Neither do they. Their “leadership” scattered before anyone got into the Capital on Jan6th and the pawns scattered when the first one of these died.

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      There is plenty of leadership and coordination, just not for this purpose. People adapt. I hope it may not be necessary for that to happen, but I know plenty of people who are excellent community organizers. All they need is to change what they teach at their outreach classes.

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        People adapt.

        Under a fascist leadership, they adapt by becoming more accommodating to fascists and more allergic to liberal democracy.

        I know plenty of people who are excellent community organizers. All they need is to change what they teach at their outreach classes.

        I agree in theory. But in practice, it seems any kind of militant liberalism gets dismissed as “both sides” or denounced as “being a tankie”.

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          I think people recognize this time around it’s different. Maybe not all people will recognize the importance of resisting, but a lot of my friends are in the groups that will be targeted by conservatives. And I don’t think they will idly stand by.