This is another post that alerted me of this.
https://lemmy.world/post/13287681
And here is the modlog:
https://lemmy.world/modlog?page=1&actionType=ModRemoveCommunity
Just a quick update, lemmy.world has posted an update that explains their decision here: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/16795373
TLDR is that the person who removed the community is fairly new to the mod team and didn’t realize there was a bit of a history to this situation. Also, looks like they are sticking with the decision this time around though.
Please don’t harass the lemmy.world admins/mods though - if you don’t like the situation you are free to register here or on another instance. And if you aren’t a lemmy.world user, then this doesn’t affect you at all.
I’m proud of our community here, and it’s their loss, not ours!
- updated the link
The translation is, “It wasn’t us don’t get angry, but also it kind of was one of us and also we are sticking by the decision so it may as well have been us.” I don’t really see that it matters if the story is true - in the best possible case they’re just saying that they don’t have a way of setting policies and having those policies be followed.
If we’ve learned anything from centralised platforms it’s that size doesn’t protect platforms from the consequences of making bad decisions.
Guess who just created a second account 👍
Would be nice if there was a Firefox extension or something to ‘merge accounts’ as a workaround. Make things a little easier in situations like this.
I did the same. Fuck that noise.
same.
Lemmy world mods are a joke.
this sounds familiar.
Why are people joining .world to begin with? The entire point of this is to decentralize. Joining the by far largest instance beats the entire purpose.
Join smaller ones like lemmy.one, lemmy.club, lemmings.world, lemmy.zip etc. We might need to start specifically recommending against .world and for general purpose instances like those.
Also, funny how even reddit allows r/Piracy but not .world lol
Sync had Lemmy.world as the default instance to register a new account (might still be the case, I’m not sure). One of the factors for sure.
So does Voyager, Raccoon, and Eternity. Everything is just defaulting to it and it’s infuriating.
The dev really needs to change that then.
Perhaps have a system of selecting randomly from a set of hand-picked general purpose instances at sign-up, where having less people gives it a higher chance of being picked (if it’s of at least a certain size of course, to prevent spam etc)
Agree, but easier said than done
I’m a programmer and it really is quite easy to implement lol
The issue is not about the implementation, but the filter: which criteria do you use to select instances that are eligible for the pool of instances? I’m genuinely asking because I think it takes some time to have a look on instances for people to make the best choice.
You’re overthinking it. Select a few of the popular ones and be done with it
Why are people joining .world to begin with?
Because how it works when you first join is very confusing, and why you would choose any particular server is not clear at all.
Also, people want to join something that is bigger and more active because it feels like it would be better (more stable, more content, etc.)
In all fairness I applied to 5 Lemmy instances when the Reddit downfall started, including .ca and .world. .ml to date is still the only one to have processed my application. It may have been due to lots of applications at the time but the sheer fact my application is still pending on the other 4 instances leads me to use the one that actually works as opposed to the first one I chose.
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Hexbear is at the top by quality, not quantity 😔
I think it still has highest number of posts and comments per day or something? It’s no longer the highest number in terms of users, but there is some basic metric of activity where hexbear still is quantifiably at the top. But anyway you’re right about the quality, that’s what’s important.
Because they actually just want to still be on reddit.
Lemmy.world is also notoriously mismanaged and has had dubious privacy issues in the past, such as their Discord situation regarding user messages
dubious privacy issues
They’re also federated with threads so I wouldn’t be surprised at all. I’m a fool for sticking around in there as long as I have.
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the most similar instance to reddit, culture-wise.
Why would anyone want that? The whole point of being on Lemmy is to get away from Reddit
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Lemmy is confusing enough for people who are not used to its idea. Everybody new and with FOMO immediately went for the bigger instances.
why? because it feels safer to join a big and longer lasting instance than a random one with almost no users. such small instances can vanish from one day to the bext. i once created a account on such a small instance and not even a week later it was wiped from earth, taking my account with it. so it’s no wonder people chooser rather bigger instances.
If you join a small instance, the chances are higher that it will a) be poorly maintained and b) fold quicker, forcing you to find another instance to join and re-subscribe to all your communities.
so long as you’re regularly exporting your profile, moving instances isn’t a big deal anymore.
The whole point is most people want simplicity, not a chore.
convenience, freedom, price, safety. Choose 2
For most users, price and convenience. That’s been made very clear over and over again.
Sure, but eventually the lack of freedom and security drives them away when the service enshittifies thoroughly.
That’s what we like to think. Facebook, Google, kinda shows us most users are perfectly happy to continue taking abuse, though
Because they have no basis on which to decide where to go. It’s like buying toothpaste but there are hundreds of options, none of which you know anything about, so you get whichever seems most popular. It minimises the risk of ending up with something which is unpopular for good reasons.
Well I guess that shows why I main kbin and not lemmy.world. Absolute dogshit decision from them.
The speed that this happened suggests they might have gotten spooked by something. Put down the pitchforks mates and give them a chance to explain first.
EDIT: Welp, I expected an explanation by now…
Don’t you guys have an admin chat group. Or at least you guys would have some way of keeping in touch since this has happened before.
We do, in fact. They never gave a heads-up, and none has responded until now. I found about this from this post
Well at least they honored their commitments /s
because lemmy.world is yours as much as it is ours.
It’s funny because someone on their team started banning people from that thread for disagreeing with their stance then when called out for it they quietly changed the instance bans for community bans, in an awesome display of pure pettiness one would normally see on Reddit.
When I described the previous removal as LW having a feud with dbzer0, that was why.
.world is just the worst parts of Reddit. Even fucking Reddit hasn’t banned r/Piracy (yet)
It definitely has that Front Page feel. I straight up just blocked .world after they took a pro Meta stand.
Most of the “communities” are just endless meme reposts like reddit,
Why would Reddit ban it? It’s an easy way for them to collect users’ IP addresses for their corporate overlords.
Absolute joke instance lmao.
A disunited federation is still a federation.
AFAIK, lemmy.world cannot remove !piracy@lemmy.dbzer0.com (but block this community or instance), because lemmy.world is another instance.
Pirates interested in this communities will find a way to lurk or participate.
A few of the bigger instances have been very open about the fact that they’re anti-piracy, anti-porn, etc and removing this community is par for the course with such a stance.
What does that mean for the average user? It means there’s more incentive to move to better instances. It’s when instances have such a monopoly on users and communities that people should not only move, but advocate for other people moving to smaller instances.
Also a major benefit of not being federated by large instances is that there’s less surface area for search engines and thus resources last longer.
Imo the issue here is that how Lemmy works right now, or maybe just its apps, seems to have the trend of pushing most people onto the largest instance(s) like .world
If the point of the Fediverse is to have a decentralized userbase, that trend needs to be reversed.
Even if we give .world admins the benefit of the doubt and say they got in legal trouble or something this time, having a userbase properly spread across many instances would prevent that instance from being the obvious target.
I’m so glad I’m on my own instance.
I am running on Lemmy-Easy-Deploy but it seems to be abandoned. How do you have yours set up?
Manual docker deployment
how does reddit have /r/piracy but lemmy.world doesn’t?
lol
.world has one disadvantage: It has to follow the laws of the Netherlands, Finland AND Germany.
So theoretically, if something’s legal for the Dutch and Finns but illegal in Germany, it’s not ok on .world. I believe it used to be smaller but I think they expanded admin teams? Idk how a single non profit website is somehow beholden to the laws of 3 separate countries.
It would be hilarious if they expanded this further. They add a country where alcohol sale is illegal? Recommendations for cocktails are now against TOS. For all. Add Singapore? Oops, discussing procurement of chewing gum is now against TOS. USA? Kinder Surprise is against TOS.
Luckily it doesn’t affect anything beyond people who insist on using only one instances (world). Glad to have dbzer0 around.
I have four accounts on the four instances that host communities I am interested in.
It’s a mild pain and definitely not what we were promised, but I guess that’s the only way federation can really work in practice (especially considering when an instance is blocked user on the blocker side just continue to see it frozen in time, with no warning as to what’s going on)
It’s a mild pain and definitely not what we were promised
I think this is precisely what the ActivityPub model of federation promised, actually 😅
I think a solution would be to have instances without communities.
It sucks, but I’m really trying to find instances with the most federation. I’d rather censor things myself than to have some useful idiot do it for me.
“Instance A blocked instance B, so now we have to use instance C to communicate with both.” Seems kind of roundabout, which is why I’m looking for the ‘ever-C’ instance that federates with the most.
I mean, the real end solution is to host your own server. Then you can federate/defederate with whoever the hell you want. As long as you don’t do anything to get banned from a specific instance, you’ll be fine.
But that’s more work than most people are willing to put into a Reddit clone.
The issue is that depending on where the Instance is located can mean that the person is liable for the content on their instance, or at least some corps will try to take them to court over that.
It would be really nice to have something you’ve described, but then who hosts the community and becomes liable?
Looks like Lemmy has a tragic flaw…not decentralized enough.
It’s early days still. When this sort of thing triggers an “exodus” users will just shift to other instances, further decentralising the service without unduly hurting the platform. If big instances want to stay relevant they need to not enshittify. If it turns out that’s impossible, then instances will have to stay small, which is fine by me. I certainly won’t miss the majority of lemmy.world users.
Maybe the lemmy.world mods are just following The Golden Path, making the Fediverse more resilient through their tyranny!
Looks like the mods over at politics@lemmy.world banned me as I am not pro Trump. I am glad they revealed who they really are over there so I can block them too.
you were banned for trolling and not backing down when the downvotes for your posts, which resembled a schizophrenic outburst, started rolling in. don’t lie man, the modlogs are public.
Much as I’d love to jump on the lemmy.world hate with your comment, I find they tend to be bog standard liberals with very little political education, not Trump supporters. Also your comment history is still visible in some apps, and it doesn’t tell such a clear cut story as you’re telling here.
If you are indeed anti-Trump, it’s not clear from what you said there. In fact what you said was such a mess that I don’t hold out a lot of hope for your response to this comment. I honestly don’t blame them for giving you a time out.
It’s because you’re a moron lacking basic reasoning skills and calling everyone you see a sheep. People are having none of it bro
When this happened the first time I just remade my account on another instance, resubscribed to all my communities from world and subscribed to my other ones that they blocked. Not ideal, I know, but I still (do far) have a single stop.
It’s even easier with account migration now. I haven’t tried it myself but apparently you can just sort of continue from where you left off.
If we’re to have any chance at convincing more Reddit users to join the Fediverse, the main Lemmy and Kbin instances need to stick together. While the piracy community being among the biggest arguably doesn’t make for great optics (having a greater variety of communities above the 50k user mark would help bring more users to Lemmy), a fragmented federation only helps Reddit. Beyond that, this community has rules in place to ensure that posts stick to the discussion of piracy, and not piracy itself.
Nah I wouldn’t want Lemmy to attract anti-piracy bootlickers (specially considering why we left Reddit for Lemmy in the first place). This being the largest community is a good filter imo.
While the piracy community being among the biggest arguably doesn’t make for great optics
I’d argue otherwise. It is great optics to have a thriving piracy community. It keeps the corporate boot lickers out, and attracts the kind of crowd that we should want on Lemmy.
While it’s great to have a thriving piracy community, it being one of the only thriving ones inevitably makes potential users associate the platform with it and convinces them to either choose another Reddit alternative or simply avoid the inconvenience of switching platforms. While we may disagree with them, the failure of the Reddit blackout demonstrated that they make up the lion’s share of users from large communities that have yet to materialize here. Better to have many communities with a diversity of opinions than only a handful of echo chambers.
who cares?
For me it’s about all the subreddits that didn’t migrate to Lemmy, and the ghost town feeling caused by only having 55,000 monthly users versus Reddit’s 850 million. With Lemmy’s active user count slowly dropping instead of rising, everything needs to be done to bring more redditors to Lemmy, whether they are supporters of piracy or not.
before there was reddit there were message boards and these message boards tended to be pretty small and niche. They would have low thousands of users, if that. I don’t think having low user counts is something to be afraid of - especially for sites run and paid for by volunteers.
I just left lemmy.world for lemmy.ca
Corporate cucks and their censors can go fuck themselves.
I’m done with that shit.
Sadly lemmy.CA won’t be far behind
I’m afraid of that, but hopefully there will be even more alternatives by then.
Yeah lemmy.ml has gotten worse with tankies, but it’s no where near as bad as the others. And I still want to see some lemmy.ml communities (tech, gaming).
But unless it’s changed with some of the recent updates, blocking instances as a user (on lemmy) only blocks posts from the instance but still allows interaction with their users in comments of posts. It’s different for kbin and mastodon.
I don’t want the annoyance of arguing with tankies from their main instances. I’d rather be defederated.
Also, why go back to lemm.ee and do that when I don’t need to on feddit.de? That seems kind of silly in the first place.
Would be a good time to finally leave .world behind. That instance is way too big
