Source: Al Jazeera live blog

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    And of fucking course none of the western involvement will be made public, unless the West makes it public. Gonna make it too hard to get some sort of deal some of the Kremlin libs are still hoping for, won’t it. The worst CIA American diplomats in Russia will get is another rude comment by Medvedev on Twatter and Telegram.

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      The kinds of statements that people like Maria Zakharova and Margarita Simonyan (editor of RT) have been making recently do indicate that they are ultimately pointing fingers toward the West. But international diplomacy is a delicate business and political considerations have to be taken into account. It is rare that the Russian government makes direct official accusations, and for good reason: they want to leave the door open to negotiations, that’s not a lib thing it’s just what you do in geopolitics.

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        There is no agreement NATO countries don’t break and I sure shit won’t root for economic integration back with Europe. There should be no door for negotiations with terrorists. And these are fucking terrorist states.

        Especially no negotiations about nukes. Let them shit themselves in the night over uncontrolled Russian nukes, I don’t give a fuck.

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          Unfortunately international diplomacy is just not that simple… Even if Russia knows that they can’t trust any deal with the West they have to at least be seen making an effort, acting as the “adults in the room”. That’s how they maintain their reputation with the global south as a reasonable, rational and trustworthy partner. China does the same thing. And this has been a successful strategy at winning the rest of the world over to their side.

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            Yeah, let foreign intelligence agencies arrange terrorist attacks in the country for diplomacy with the global south. Great. I’m pretty sure the likes of Lavrov could sell expulsion of western diplomats to the global south fairly easily anyway.

            The only real explanation for this festival of cuckoldry I see is that Kremlin just deadass still hopes to make everything the way it used to be in a few years.

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              The US also orchestrated bloody terrorist attacks in China through their Uyghur jihadi proxies and China did not directly accuse the US. They are playing the long game.

              Kremlin just deadass still hopes to make everything the way it used to be in a few years

              I don’t think so. Perhaps that was the case at first but by now they seem to have resigned themselves to a more or less permanent break with the West. They have reoriented their economy toward the east and i see no indication of any intention to turn back to how things used to be. In fact a lot of Russian officials have said as much. It’s just no longer necessary. The West isn’t the only game in town anymore. In a multipolar world you have options.

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                The US also orchestrated bloody terrorist attacks in China through their Uyghur jihadi proxies and China did not directly accuse the US. They are playing the long game.

                They have cause to. China can actually weaponize their economic connection with the US. Doesn’t work that way for Russia at all. The main loser of the “sanctions” is the EU.

                I don’t think so. Perhaps that was the case at first but by now they seem to have resigned themselves to a more or less permanent break with the West. They have reoriented their economy toward the east and i see no indication of any intention to turn back to how things used to be. In fact a lot of Russian officials have said as much. It’s just no longer necessary. The West isn’t the only game in town anymore. In a multipolar world you have options.

                Maybe if our government wasn’t kicking so hard while reality is dragging it towards industrialization. They still want to sit on a pipe and get fat. And the world isn’t so multipolar with that perspective. China And India will buy, but you better believe they will also capitalize on Russia having a very short list of available markets.