Anyone willing to summarize those mistakes here, for those who can’t watch the video rn?

The closest thing to a Discord server Matrix-wise are Spaces, which basically are groups of Rooms that people can join by invite (and maybe by link? But not sure)

I see in Matrix as a protocol great potential but it needs some more projects that will focus on the different aspects of communication.

Element cannot aim to be both a WhatsApp replacement, a Slack replacement and a Discord replacement, but for sure 3 different alternatives for those services can be built all using the Matrix protocol

This!

Discord was great and I’m pretty sure that some projects will take its place (like Revolt maybe that others are mentioning) but PLEASE FOSS PROJECT JUST USE AN INDEXABLE FORUM like Discourse, so that people don’t have to signup and enter a server for each project they use!

I guess that with discord (and many other non-foss free projects) the problem is that they start as free and then wanted to start to make money at a later stage.

For-profit software and companies are not necessarily bad, but they are bad when they take their existing software and start radically changing it for the sake of making more money.

If for example discord always had some features just for Nitro users and others for everyone, and those features (and the nitro price) would have always stayed the same it would have been much better

What do you mean with proprietary? 'Cause atproto is foss, but yeah atm Bluesky kinda controls it (even if in the interview she said they would like to move it to a third party regulator in the future)

Well, if what she says in the interview is the truth they don’t plan to make money with ads, but with a cut on their marketplace of algorithms &co + with custom handles (aka custom domains)

So yeah, maybe it will not end up like Twitter

Agree. The episode partially answers some of those questions (of course with a biased answer, since it’s given by their CEO), but I guess that for most of them we’ll just have to wait and see

From what she said, ActivityPub could have adapted to what they wanted, but probably don’t want to. On Bluesky you kinda loose the community feel of your instance that you have and that many people (me included) like.

I elaborated more on the “problems” she listed in another comment here if you want to read more without listening the episode

She was saying that on Mastodon (that was the main activitypub platform she was comparing to) the choice of the instance can heavily influence your experience. If I don’t remember wrong her main points were:

• There’s a local timeline and a federated timeline, and even in the federated timeline you see your instance posts and the posts of the instances yours have federated with, not all posts
• A global search is not always the easiest thing to do, and previous attempts of project that would have facilitated it didn’t received much appreciation from the community
• If your instance admin do choices you don’t agree with (for example blocking another instance) the only way to interact with that other instance is to move yourself
• Moving from an instance to another means loosing your posts and replies, that would stay on the original instance

She was not saying that this approach is wrong, in fact many people on Mastodon like this more community-focused and less-global approach, just that it isn’t what they wanted for Bluesky

And yet, here we are with another conversation about something in the wrong place.

Well, this is is a place to talk about fediverse and ActivityPub, and mine wanted to be the starting point for a discussion about the two protocols and how they compare with each other, if it was actually worth it to create a new protocol or not etc.

I was not pretending that Bluesky is better than the Fediverse, it’s just different and I’m convinced that discussing about how others do stuff can benefit the Fediverse too.

BlueSky and their illusion of federation, what’s to talk about? Anyone can host a server, but all posts need to be indexed by the server of which they’re in charge of otherwise they don’t appear in anyone’s timelines?

As for this, it was my main perplexity after I listened the podcast since they didn’t really entered into the details of how the “multiple servers, one timeline” work. Do you by chance have any resource/link I could read to learn more about that and clarify my doubts?

That’s almost exactly what I was thinking before listening to the podcast.

But there she explained how ActivityPub was missing some of the feature they wanted because of its instance-centric approach and how trying to change that would have been hard (given how sceptical towards changes and everything corporate-related the fediverse community can be), and so they opted for a new protocol since the goals of the two project were with different aims.

Still not 100% convinced tbh, but I can’t deny she has a point…

Even if the corporate is a public benefit corporation with open source foss code both for server and client?

Matrix is a communication protocol, such as IMAP+SMTP communication protocols that are behind emails. This means that the “communication stack” when you use Matrix, as well as when you use emails, can be summarized in 3 parts:

• the client (the app you use to chat, such as Apple Mail or Outlook for emails, Element or FluffyChat for Matrix)
• the provider (who is offering you the service, such as gmail.com or yahoo.com for email, matrix.org or chat.mozilla.com for Matrix)
• the server (the app that your provider runs to let you chat, for emails all most famous providers have their own proprietary servers, for Matrix the two main options for server are Synapse or Dendrite)

I haven’t read the article properly yet, but from what I’ve understand for now it seems Commune.sh aims to build a new client for Matrix that reproduces the layout and features of Discord, while at the same time being based on an open communication protocol and therefore having all its related benefits.

Seems pretty promising, I’m gonna keep an eye of it 👀