So you think that what I meant by “I’m more worried about [some people who] make other communists look bad” was that I’m an anti-communist? That seems highly unlikely. If I were anti-communist, surely I’d love those people precisely because they make communists look bad?

“Left” anticommunism is a thing. People who claim to be leftists yet bash leftists.

Literally your first response to me in this entire thread was uncivil condescension.

I don’t agree.

Yeah that’s not what I mean by Tankies, and it’s not what most people mean by tankies. Not all marxist-leninists are tankies, for example. In fact I’d go out on a limb and say most aren’t. But those who try to sweep under the rug the bad things that nominally-communist states have done are tankies, and they give other communists, other marxists, other marxist-leninists, and indeed all other leftists a bad name. (As an aside, most of the time those things were done by state-capitalist governments, not communist ones.)

Mind explaining what “state-capitalist governments” that are supposedly supported by “tankies?” This is where I believe you’re going for the “left” anticommunist bit. The whole “no true Communist movements” idea is “left” anticommunism.

I’m actually from the Global South. I can promise you the US state department is full of shit. As are most Americans who speak about it, including most American leftists.

Cool, that doesn’t mean you can’t be a “left” anticommunist.

Seems like it.

I have never advocated for exterminating everyone.

Where they came from. Netanyahu is from Philidelphia.

“Blood and soil” is fascist rhetoric.

Or, they can stay where they are, just in a secular, democratic Palestinian state.

Then I implore you to abandon the genocidal Biden regime. Side with humanity.

No, the opposite. They are sending in air and ground support.

I’m furious that the administration isn’t doing more to end the goddamned genocide

Biden approved the invasion of Lebanon and is sending in US troops and air support. They want this.

I’m sure there’s some realpolitik going on there, but like, realpolitik can suck my asshole when my taxes are paying for bombs and missiles that are being used by a different country in an unjust war to kill innocent people in a genocide.

Israel helps terrorize enemies of the US empire and secures the Petro-dollar.

With all that said, I just don’t think that we will be able to enact meaningful change in 30ish days. To enact change within the confines our current system, we would need to convince hundreds of millions of people to vote for a candidate that truly represents them in that timeframe. Given the constricting nature of our two-party system, I think many people wouldn’t know who that is. I certainly don’t know who would represent me. It certainly wouldn’t be Jill Stein, to provide an example of a third party candidate.

So hopes and prayers while you vote for continued genocide, got it. Your feelings don’t make the bombs lighter.

There are two primary candidates. One candidate will likely maintain the monstrous, awful, status quo. The other candidate may or may not direct the largest military force in the world to level Palestine and order the destruction of every man, woman, and child within its borders. The former gives the people of Palestine more time while to survive while we try to unfuck our system. It’s not a guarantee, but it’s a chance.

Biden has already ordered US air support and ground troops, the die is cast.

Your words weren’t left, don’t try to hide behind us

100% of my words were written from Leftist analysis.

Is meaningless, we oppose the killing, we oppose the inequality with which they treat their neighbours. We still support their existence, we just want it to be a better existence

Offering mere platitudes and “thoughts and prayers” for a better world instead of actually working towards it is idealism, not materialism. Don’t carry water for fascists.

So all left wing views are propaganda, lmao. Typical right-winger.

100%, Dems are throwing the election.

Trying to use Gaza on either candidate is stupid. Genocide is a US thing, it has nothing to do with political parties.

So we need to abandon them entirely and either elect a new party or overthrow the state.

If anything we have more chances of seeing change once Kamala is in office than Trump.

Ah, “thoughts and prayers,” same as always.

Which part was propaganda? I’ll carefully explain any of my views. I want the genocidal settler-colonial entity Israel to be dissolved, and a democratic Palestinian state to replace it for Palestinians and former-Israelis alike.

Israel reaping what it sowed. If the Iranian government is to be believed, the US sabotaged a deal with Iran, directly triggering this.

I am taking the moral route and telling you to abandon the genocidal empire, both parties are monstrous and we either need to vote them out or revolt.

You accused me, with no basis, of being anti-communist rather than answering what you think I mean.

You being anticommunist is what I thought you meant. Those aren’t unrelated.

I asked what you think I meant because I wanted to know whether you have a different view of this than I do or were simply uninformed. But between your accusations, your deflection, and your condescending responses to me, it’s becoming pretty clear to me that you’re not willing to discuss this in good faith. But maybe you can prove me wrong.

I have been acting in good-faith, you have been beating around the bush this entire time.

Let’s start out with an easy one. What do you think I meant by “tankies”?

Communists, Marxists, Marxist-Leninists, etc. Anyone that actually defends AES and doesn’t repeat US State Department Propaganda about the Global South.

The first-past-the-post voting system sucks; the resulting two-party system sucks; but right now we have to operate within it

Only if you think voting is the extent of political action.

The mathematics of that system entail the simple fact that if you discourage people from keeping Trump out, you are helping get Trump in

And if you encourage getting Harris in, you are helping Harris get in, who has promised imperalism, genocide, World War 3, and failed Climate action.

That makes you a Trump supporter.

In 20 years you’ll look back at yourself, if leftists have managed to prevent the end of the world, as someone who supported a fascist regime and refused to lift a finger against it. I hope you’ll come to your senses much sooner than that.

Vote blue until Gaza is through, amirite?

Nah, fuck Trump. The only way I could be seen as a Trump supporter is if you think voting for genocide should be the default.

You’re currently batting for genocide, imperialism, climate collapse, and World War 3, but you can stop.

I was. I asked you to elaborate, then you deflected and asked what I thought you meant. I answered honestly, it wasn’t an accusation, it was what you literally asked for. Please respond in good faith.

Wikipedia agrees with me, the others are liberal rags.