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According to Reddit, this is what winning looks like.
Western capitalism (capitalism in general) is dying and needs an injection of Russian resources to survive another generation. I am glad it’s being starved of its oxygen, which happens to be other people’s oxygen there. However, they will just do what predators do when they become old and decrepit, move onto weaker prey. What sucks is powerful countries like China and Russia won’t help and just go “phew, glad it ain’t us” until it is.
Although China will probably not intervene, Russia has already positioned itself as a rival to NATO in other international geopolitical situations. Partnerships with Syria, Venezuela, Belarus, Sahel states. If the war in Ukraine ends, Russian military expertise will probably be the most valuable in the world due to their battle-tested knowledge of modern symmetrical (Ukraine) and assymetrical (ISIS, Al-Qaeda) warfare against NATO.
If Russia finally wins, they have a bright future in military cooperations and training.
This is more of what I want to see. Not because of the raising of tensions and risking a world war but because the imperialist justification for pummeling others and taking their stuff is “you let me”.
I don’t entirely agree here, I’d argue that BRICS is directly helping insulate countries from these predators. We’re also seeing them increasingly turning on each other. My expectation is that we’ll start seeing the west cannibalize itself going forward.
I hope you are correct, but we barely saw any action being taken towards an outright genocide happening for 15 months and still happening. Unless there are military agreements or even strong economic actions taken, I think it’s all just hype of invoicing terms of nations doing business.
I am sorry. But the foreign policies of these nations suck. And the west counts on that being the case.
I think they’re going to pick their battles, and they’re not going to go to open war with the west over Gaza. However, it’s pretty clear that BRICS has been very effective at curtailing western power and influence globally. I don’t see anything the west can do to change these trends.
I mean there are steps before war like not doing business with a genocidal entity. These are real critiques we can and should be making when it comes to foreign policy.
Sure, I’m not disagreeing with your critique. I’m just pointing out that the direction of travel is still overall positive. We don’t live in a perfect world, and socialist countries don’t always act in a principled way. However, the power of the empire is diminishing and the Global Majority finally has a chance for self determination. This should not be understated.
Valid points. And this is a discussion amongst comrades, no animosity here :)
For sure, and I do agree with you that it is important to recognize the failings of the socialist countries.
I find it’s also important to be realistic about what social systems can accomplish. They ultimately create selection pressures within society that encourage people to act in a certain way. In my opinion, the core job of a system is to ensure that there is a positive alignment between individual interest and the interest of community as a whole. However, this isn’t magically going to eliminate negative behaviors such as corruption, and so on. These things are present in every human society, and socialist societies aren’t immune from these problems. What I tend to focus on is the overall direction of travel, and I think that’s where we can be optimistic right now.
Russia and Ukraine both suck shit but I hope we all agree that a Russian victory and peace is and was always the best outcome. Honestly it should’ve happened over a year ago but Genocide Joe needed more skulls for his skull throne
If we were talking about this in 2013 i’d definitely agree. But i think it’s pretty hard to deny that Ukraine definitely sucks more than Russia at this point. I mean there are a lot of bad things about Russia but at least in Russia you don’t get dragged off the street into an unmarked van to be beat up and sent to the front lines after a week of what can barely be called training. At least Russia isn’t committing literal terrorist attacks, it doesn’t arm and train ISIS and Al Qaeda in using drones, and it doesn’t send its soldiers to help those terrorist groups to destabilize and topple anti-imperialist governments in Africa and the Middle East. At least Russia hasn’t made it official state policy to glorify Nazi collaborators. I also think you’d be hard pressed to find instances of Russia bombing civilians just for the hell of it like Ukraine does, despite the fact that they have way more ammunition to spare and Ukraine doesn’t. It’s not Russia that declared its intention to “become a larger Israel” (Zelensky literally said that).
Yes Russia sucks when it comes to a bunch of things, but i think there’s no contest if we’re talking about who is worse.
Ukraine is directly supporting the white supremacists capitalist world order while russia is directly confronting it. Russia under Putin is doing more to make the future safe for socialist than almost anyone. Certainly more than dem-sucs like lula are.
Russia may have issues with private property protections and their central bank being privately owned but the longer they are in direct conflict with global capitalism the more they are pushed towards socialism. Russians have an increasingly nostalgic view of the USSR and the government has raised minimum wages and increased social programs since the war began. They do have reactionary lgbtq policies but really they aren’t much worse than the west and they are certainly less racist. I’d pick a anti-racist homophobe over a racist lgbtq ally any day.
Honestly I’d say that Russia is one of the least sucky nations that isn’t explicitly socialist. Sure China is less sucky but really after China there is nobody even close to Russia in it’s capability and willingness to confront white supremacists capitalist imperialism. Also I feel like as China’s tactic of economic anti-imperialism is nearing its point of diminishing returns Russia’s current situation ensures China will be able to change gears when it becomes nessciary and know which gear to change into.
Note that Biden’s war was a prerequisite for the trade war that Trump is doing right now. The war in Ukraine severed relations between Russia and Europe. If that hadn’t happened, then Europeans would’ve most likely got further integrated with the east as a response to the tariffs that are coming. Now, they’re basically stuck without any good options.
