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      8 months ago

      Cave Men are humans. They just prefer to life in caves. What is wrong about that? Your statistics misses the marker for the Gaza-Rocket attacks. Actually within the last 19 years there wasn’t a single day they didn’t shot rockets and grenades at Israel.

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        8 months ago

        Everything. That’s incredibly racist and a complete fabrication. Palestinians are normal people that want to live a normal life, which is impossible under the daily violence Israel uses to maintain the apartheid. Israel has always bombed Palestinians in gaza, both during the wars they regularly wage on Gaza and during times of relative peace.

        Year before Oct 7 - Jewish Voice for Peace

        2023 is ‘deadliest year’ for Palestinian children say human rights groups

        HRW Events of 2022

        HRW Events of 2023

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          7 months ago

          Again you forgot to mention that Hamas has been shooting rockets at Israel for 15 years. 100 per day was considered peace time. By the way, the war will be over as soon as Hamas surrenders. بمشيئة الله. أو في هذه الحالة، بمشيئة حماس.

          Obviously they are really keen to wage a little war every now and then so don’t take that from them. The have free will and are masters of their own choices: If you go to a gun fight with a knife - don’t blame the gun owner.

          The Geneva convention doesn’t know about “fairness”. It simply states that every combatant is a valid target, no matter how incompetent he is.

          And by the way, you are dehumanizing cave men. Being a cave men is a personal decision and shouldn’t be used fuelling prejudices.

          About Hamas in the bigger picture:

          JLOTS in Gaza

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            Dude, are you ok? Palestinians are not ‘cave men.’

            If you stopped dehumanizing palestinians for a moment, maybe you’d recognize Hamas began twenty years into an Occupation enforced with direct and systemic violence, with the goal of ending the occupation. Collective punishment has been a deliberate Israeli tactic for decades with the Dahiya doctrine. Violence such as suicide bombings and rockets escalated in response to Israeli enforcement of the occupation and apartheid.

            Hamas in its early days, according to former Israeli officials, was seen by the government of Israel as a counterweight to the PLO. Israel supported Hamas as a way to break the PLO’s hold on the region. Retired official Avner Cohen, who worked in Gaza in the 1990s and oversaw religious affairs in the region, told the WSJ in 2009, “Hamas, to my great regret, is Israel’s creation."

            And in the backdrop of the 2006 election were geographic and political divides between Gaza and the West Bank. Contrary to what Bennett claimed, Israel restricted Palestinians from moving in and out of Gaza, as well as between the strip and the West Bank, since at least the 1990s, after the first Palestinian Intifada, or uprising, according to Al Jazeera. In addition to Gaza’s borders, the Israeli government controlled its coastline and airspace, allowing for military incursions into the territory, and, in 2007, established the blockade on goods and people that still exists as of this writing.

            People Claim a Majority of Palestinians in Gaza Elected Hamas — Here’s Why It Isn’t That Simple

            Hamas founding charter and Revised charter 2017

            This is a brutal occupation that is an apartheid regime, uses martial law, and military courts, the theft and extortion of water, the exploitation of Palestinians as a workforce without rights, state-backed settler violence, the deprivation of human rights for Palestinians, the destruction of schools, the destruction of hospitals, the destruction of homes, the starvation of children, the execution of women and children, the inhuman torture and abuse of Palestinians and yes even children in Israeli prisons. The point of dehumanizing rhetoric like ‘cave men’ or ‘savage’ is to normalize human rights abuses, war crimes, and . If you see palestinians as human, the same as Israelis or anyone else. It’s completely clear that the Israeli apartheid is completely unacceptable, yet it’s been the reality for decades and decades.

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                7 months ago

                If you were serious, you would read those sources and realize how dumb of a question that is.

                Ceasefire History

                Oct 9 2023 - Hamas official says group is open to discussions over truce with Israel - Reuters

                Oct 16 2023 9:41 AM - Israel denies ceasefire in place to allow entrance of aid to Gaza - Times of Israel

                Oct 27 2023 - Hamas official demands ceasefire for hostages to be released - Fox News

                Oct 31 2023 - Fighting in Gaza intensifies as Netanyahu rejects calls for cease-fire - CBS

                Nov 5 2023 - Israel rejects ceasefire calls as forces set to deepen offensive - Reuters

                Nov 14 2023 - Hamas’ armed wing says it is ready to free 70 Israeli hostages in return for a 5-day cease-fire - Business Insider

                Nov 23 2023 Temp Ceasefire Begins 24th

                Dec 1 2023 Temp Ceasefire Ends

                Dec 8 2023 - U.S. vetoes ceasefire demand as UN secretary general warns Gaza ‘at breaking point’ - CBC

                Dec 12 2023 1:31 PM - U.N. General Assembly votes in favor of cease-fire resolution 153-10; U.S. and Israel vote against - NBC

                Dec 20 2023 - Hamas insists on end to Israel’s offensive in Gaza before hostage talks can begin - The Guardian

                Dec 25 2023 - Hamas, Islamic Jihad reject Gaza gov. overhaul for permanent ceasefire, Egyptian sources say - Reuters

                Jan 3 2024 - Hamas says there must be a permanent ceasefire deal in order for remaining hostages to be released - CNN

                Jan 10 2024 - US defends its veto of call for Gaza cease-fire while Palestinians and others demand fighting stop - AP News

                Jan 22 2024 - Hostage talks continue as Israel rejects Hamas demand for full IDF withdrawal and a permanent cease-fire - NBC

                Jan 31 2024 - Netanyahu rejects Hamas conditions for ceasefire, refuses to release ‘thousands of terrorists’ - India TV

                Feb 7 2024 - Hamas ceasefire proposal details - Reuters

                Feb 14 2024 - Gaza cease-fire and hostage release talks appear to stall as Netanyahu and Hamas trade blame - AP News

                Feb 20 2024 - US blocks ceasefire call with third UN veto in Israel-Hamas war - Reuters

                Mar 6 2024 - Officials say Hamas has continued to press Israel for a commitment to a permanent cease-fire after a multistage release of all hostages, but Israel has refused. - NY Times

                Mar 22, 2024Why Biden Proposed a UN (temporary) Ceasefire Resolution That Was Vetoed by Russia and China - Time