• SomeAmateur@sh.itjust.works
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    14 days ago

    Or we could actually make some stuff in the US/EU for a change. I know it takes time but it’s probably for the best in the long run

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      14 days ago

      Tell me you don’t know how the global economy works without telling me you don’t know how the global economy works.

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        13 days ago

        Tell me you dont know how supply lock-in is a tool for geopolitics without telling me you dont know how supply lock-in is a tool for geopolitics.

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          13 days ago

          Looks like you’re the one confused here. Supply lock-in means what exactly to you?

          This appears to be a term you made up. What is supply lock-in returns no results.

          Perhaps you mean vendor lock-in which is actually what I am talking about and you don’t understand what vendor lock-in means.

          • Joël de Bruijn@lemmy.ml
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            13 days ago

            We as a species make up terms on a daily basis, so I feel the liberty to do the same. Glad it doesnt give any results because it indicates original thought.

            If large parts of the supply chain consist of suppliers (vendors) on the other side of the earth, one can focus on one vendor lock-in or one by one (for analytical purposes) and optimise for that but often the bigger picture of a complex supply chain is missed.

            Hence the aggregated lock-in.

            But to avoid futher confusion maybe supply-chain lock-in is a better term and yields searchs results.

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              13 days ago

              Just to be clear here, you made up a term and then claimed I didn’t know that term. And rather than address that you are glad that term doesn’t exist.

              Tell me you are a never wrong without telling me you’re a never wrong.

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                13 days ago

                Only thing I claimed was you missed the point of SomeAmateur, meaning one can understand global supply chain AND worry about depending on foreign entities using it in geo-politics, so mentioning counter measures (make some stuff ourselves for a change) is reasonable. I am wrong all the time by the way, I just adress a lot more in my comments which you choose to ignore. But alas, you are free to pick and choose just like everybody else.

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              13 days ago

              Learn to understand search results?

              That’s showing results for vendor lock-in.

              This is a stupid hill to die on, why are several of you choosing to do so?

              None of you have any idea what is required to build and even the simplest electronic product.

              • David From Space@orbiting.observer
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                13 days ago

                Supply chains are literally chains of suppliers, e.g. vendors. Your ‘simplest electronic product’ could absolutely be constrained by whom you choose to work with.

                If your vendor locks you into buying from a certain source, and their vendor requires the same, and so on up the chain, how would you describe that dynamic to differentiate from a single vendor being the point of restriction?

                To your point that the phrase didn’t exist, here are three supply-chain oriented papers that directly reference the phrase: This paper is exploring the social dynamics of buyers and sellers:

                Lock-in situations in supply chains: A social exchange theoretic study of sourcing arrangements

                Specifically, we believe that the examination of lock-in situations between a manufacturer and its supplier, i.e., instances where for all intent and purposes, one party is heavily dependent upon the other party, with few alternatives, under social exchange theory, can provide new insights into controlled self-interest behaviors (e.g., strategies) in on-going supply chain relationships.

                This paper is about supply chains in plastic management, but the phrase is here:

                Business models and sustainable plastic management: A systematic review of the literature

                Barriers frequently mentioned were high costs, complexity of new systems, supply chain lock-in and low customer buy-in.

                And here’s a paper about optimizing your supply chain where it is referenced as something to avoid:

                Orchestrating cradle-to-cradle innovation across the value chain

                This one even has a handy definition:

                Supply chain lock-in:
                
                Contracts and strong dependencies with suppliers not supporting circularity (e.g., either due to non-willingness or lock-in in production facilities optimized for linear concepts). 
                

                I suppose if you would like to be super extra pendantic Wikipedia does have you covered with “Collective Monopolistic Vendor Lock-in”.