war thing everyone gets so invested in yet no one does anything about beyond participating in thinly veiled socialization rituals and including symbols of support into their wardrobes and memes.
What humanity? What humanity do the sons of settlers have? What matter are the feelings they’ve used to rule over all and sundry for practically all of recorded western history in some form or another? What “white men” fear sickens me, because all that cohort has EVER seemed to fear was not being on top. Crackers fear that we would treat them as they have treated us; and honestly at this point, it’d be warranted if we did.
That is ‘the quiet part you won’t say out loud’. That is what the cohort you currently bear the water of fears. That you want me to shed tears for that genuinely sickens me, you fuckin loser.
I believe that power grows out of the barrel of a gun, and that if John Brown had shot more colonizing slaver bastards, we definitely wouldn’t be having this conversation right now.
Ermm… should i post pics of my unibrow? My post history is 90% spanish. My entry point is from a chilean server in which I actively participate… Why is this even relevant though?
The only water I’m carrying is the one that nurtures universal empathy. Maybe you should take a sip. It’s very healing.
Ok, non-friend. I’m sorry for attempting to extend consideration towards you.
The most basic thing I’ve done was demanding the genocidal party stops doing the genocide if they want my support which I’ve done since oct-8, their refusal to listen doesn’t change my demands or how serious I was in those convictions.
How’s that been working for you?
Did I?
I believe you did. You referred to me “doing it to them (other people)”. I’m other people.
You pushed the white male victimhood narrative
Did I? I didn’t, in any way, make a judgement on the value or ethical implications of the dehumanization of white men (even the poor ones). I didn’t imply it was right or wrong. I merely suggested, sarcastically, that it was a big factor in losing the election.
You seem to be under the impression that this dehumanization is warranted, though. Do you think this mindset helps the problems that our societies and democracies are currently facing?
Do you think ranking people regarding their levels of assumed victimization due to ethnic, sexual or identity backgrounds is something desirable in general?
The blue genocidal party lost just as I told them they would if they didn’t listen and stop doing genocide. So I guess I’ve been vindicated in my demands they stop.
Do you think this will have an impact on the actual genocide, though? Do you feel like you’ve done enough? Can you fairly and honestly say this is something you care about if this is your only action regarding this problem?
Are you really going to debate bro me on whether I assumed you to be a white male or not?
Yes, this is definitely what I want to do with my afternoon (this is actually not sarcastic). Did I remove any relevant context? Please elaborate if you care to continue this surreal tangent.
You placed “white males” as a standalone group in your comment.
I did.
white males are not seperate from other groupings of people
dismissing the struggles of other groups
Any chance on giving that statement second thought? I think you’ll find something interesting.
Oh, you just are a debate bro
I’m unfamiliar with the term. Maybe if you clarify I can tell you if I feel identified with the definition.
this is when you, sarcastically, pushed the white male victimhood narrative.
Erm… So by me suggesting their vote was lost, i implied they were victims? I’m sorry but I disagree.
my rebuttal of the white male victimhood narrative signals to you that I support white males being victims
No. I think you may have a fixation with victimhood and its implications on the value and humanity of people, and I think you’ve pushed this fixation in every point during this exchange, projecting it into my arguments.
rank white males at the top of a victimization totem pole.
This is another example of the former. You seem to be under the impression that victimization is a ranking system.
Maybe I should clarify. Under my perspective, everyone deserves to be listened to, have their humanity accepted and treated with respect (even in situations of conflict and mutual destruction). You, me, white males, bolivians, jews, palestines, fundies, tankies, billionaires, criminals, war criminals, nazis, hitler, genghis khan. Everyone.
The reason behind this is that without that basic extension of empathy, all possibilities of consensus are lost before a conversation even begins. Do I always extend these basic forms of empathy to everyone? No, sometimes I’m a dick, but I do try.
My original point was about the consequences of the lack of willingness to convey these basic forms of empathy to white males in the election (this doesn’t imply i consider them victims. I don’t.)
What I’m currently trying to convey now is that victimization is not a ranking system, friend. And voting or not voting for someone is not an effective course of action to solve anything you truly care about.
I’m sorry people you care about are suffering. <3
Edit: I don’t think I did, and I honestly have no use for information regarding your sex, gender or ethnicity.
Thank you for taking the time to reply to my comment thoughtfully. I understand our disagreements better now, and I apologize if I came across as arguing in bad faith.
I’m sure you understand my perspective better now, and I appreciate you addressing it with respect.
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Maybe, but I don’t feel particularly invested in any war thing.
Polarization does get to me sometimes, but I feel like my contributions regarding that issue constitute legitimate efforts.
It’s still projection. You are incapable of caring about the genocide of millions, and so you assume that everyone else is too.
P.S.
What makes you think I’m incapable of caring or that i assume others are?
What humanity? What humanity do the sons of settlers have? What matter are the feelings they’ve used to rule over all and sundry for practically all of recorded western history in some form or another? What “white men” fear sickens me, because all that cohort has EVER seemed to fear was not being on top. Crackers fear that we would treat them as they have treated us; and honestly at this point, it’d be warranted if we did.
That is ‘the quiet part you won’t say out loud’. That is what the cohort you currently bear the water of fears. That you want me to shed tears for that genuinely sickens me, you fuckin loser.
Do you believe in the universality of human rights?
I believe that power grows out of the barrel of a gun, and that if John Brown had shot more colonizing slaver bastards, we definitely wouldn’t be having this conversation right now.
Then we can agree on something, at least partially. Have a nice day and I’m sorry if I upset you.
I’m not a white male, friend.
Honestly I don’t believe that; but even that’s true, you’re still carrying their water; so you may as well be white.
We’re not fucking friends; and I don’t claim you as kinfolk. “Humanity of the settler”, get the actual fuck out.
Ermm… should i post pics of my unibrow? My post history is 90% spanish. My entry point is from a chilean server in which I actively participate… Why is this even relevant though?
The only water I’m carrying is the one that nurtures universal empathy. Maybe you should take a sip. It’s very healing.
Ok, non-friend. I’m sorry for attempting to extend consideration towards you.
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I mean… Do you? What things are you doing to address these issues?
Edit: Also, did you assume I’m a white male? I’m not.
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How’s that been working for you?
I believe you did. You referred to me “doing it to them (other people)”. I’m other people.
Did I? I didn’t, in any way, make a judgement on the value or ethical implications of the dehumanization of white men (even the poor ones). I didn’t imply it was right or wrong. I merely suggested, sarcastically, that it was a big factor in losing the election.
You seem to be under the impression that this dehumanization is warranted, though. Do you think this mindset helps the problems that our societies and democracies are currently facing?
Do you think ranking people regarding their levels of assumed victimization due to ethnic, sexual or identity backgrounds is something desirable in general?
Food for thought, my friend.
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Do you think this will have an impact on the actual genocide, though? Do you feel like you’ve done enough? Can you fairly and honestly say this is something you care about if this is your only action regarding this problem?
Yes, this is definitely what I want to do with my afternoon (this is actually not sarcastic). Did I remove any relevant context? Please elaborate if you care to continue this surreal tangent.
I did.
Any chance on giving that statement second thought? I think you’ll find something interesting.
I’m unfamiliar with the term. Maybe if you clarify I can tell you if I feel identified with the definition.
Erm… So by me suggesting their vote was lost, i implied they were victims? I’m sorry but I disagree.
No. I think you may have a fixation with victimhood and its implications on the value and humanity of people, and I think you’ve pushed this fixation in every point during this exchange, projecting it into my arguments.
This is another example of the former. You seem to be under the impression that victimization is a ranking system.
Maybe I should clarify. Under my perspective, everyone deserves to be listened to, have their humanity accepted and treated with respect (even in situations of conflict and mutual destruction). You, me, white males, bolivians, jews, palestines, fundies, tankies, billionaires, criminals, war criminals, nazis, hitler, genghis khan. Everyone.
The reason behind this is that without that basic extension of empathy, all possibilities of consensus are lost before a conversation even begins. Do I always extend these basic forms of empathy to everyone? No, sometimes I’m a dick, but I do try.
My original point was about the consequences of the lack of willingness to convey these basic forms of empathy to white males in the election (this doesn’t imply i consider them victims. I don’t.)
What I’m currently trying to convey now is that victimization is not a ranking system, friend. And voting or not voting for someone is not an effective course of action to solve anything you truly care about.
I’m sorry people you care about are suffering. <3
Edit: I don’t think I did, and I honestly have no use for information regarding your sex, gender or ethnicity.
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Thank you for taking the time to reply to my comment thoughtfully. I understand our disagreements better now, and I apologize if I came across as arguing in bad faith. I’m sure you understand my perspective better now, and I appreciate you addressing it with respect.
Peace to you and all those you care about.