Last night I was on Flashpoints with Dennis Bernstein about Matt Nelson, who is by all indications the person who immolated themselves across from the Israeli consulate in Boston on Sept.
Why would you think that people who have the courage to act on their principles would regret it?
The amount of self determination it must take to smell the gasoline and still strike the match makes me think that the people who do this are capable of living with the consequences of their actions.
I think someone who has the self determination to go ahead with this expects to not survive. Doing it and unexpectedly surviving and having to live a likely painful rest of your life is different.
I don’t think it’s realistic to assume you understand the mental state of someone who’s already proved they are capable of setting themselves on fire to make a point.
I’ve not heard any reporting say this. I’ve seen internet commenters presume this, but just because someone engaged in an action that could result in their death, doesn’t mean they’re suicidal.
Starting ones self on fire is a suicide attempt, regardless of political motive. This isn’t the same as sky diving or even trying to see the Titanic in a carbon fiber pod, this is pure and simple, self immolation to death that failed, so far.
You are technically correct, which I hear is the best kind. Equating this individuals self-immolation to draw attention to and emphasize the situation in Gaza to someone who is struggling with mental health is disingenuous.
There is a substantial difference between “being suicidal” in the clinical sense and having decided to commit suicide. We have no reason to believe, lacking an avenue for the “self expression” of immolation, that he would have jumped from a bridge or hung himself in the attic. As far as we can tell, he looked at the present political situation and judged that the most effective thing he could do to accomplish what he believed had to be accomplished was by doing something that required the investment of dying. That’s not the same thing as “being suicidal”, though you and I both disagree with his choice for our respective reasons.
Please. I’ve already seen ghoulish, unprincipled crackers talking about “the world is tired of martyrs” on this very site. Not one singular settler scumbag is going to change their ways over this. We need to stop immolating ourselves and start burning the real problems.
Every sacrafice slowly moves the public opinion needle. There is never a single instance people can point to that instantly changed everyone’s mind.
That said, after Aaron Bushnell I doubt self immolation is going to make much of an impact anymore. Direct action such as blocking highways and israeli arms factories are much more effective now.
If he makes it, he is going to be infinitely full of regret with the consequences he’ll have to live with.
Why would you think that people who have the courage to act on their principles would regret it?
The amount of self determination it must take to smell the gasoline and still strike the match makes me think that the people who do this are capable of living with the consequences of their actions.
I think someone who has the self determination to go ahead with this expects to not survive. Doing it and unexpectedly surviving and having to live a likely painful rest of your life is different.
That just means he can do it again.
With severe burns, that won’t be true for likely several years, maybe never.
I think you might not know very much about the pain of third degree burns.
Third degree burns don’t hurt because the burns destroyed the nerves. Source: Had 3rd degree burns. The skin graft hurt more.
I don’t think it’s realistic to assume you understand the mental state of someone who’s already proved they are capable of setting themselves on fire to make a point.
They were suicidal, and now they’re trapped.
I’ve not heard any reporting say this. I’ve seen internet commenters presume this, but just because someone engaged in an action that could result in their death, doesn’t mean they’re suicidal.
Starting ones self on fire is a suicide attempt, regardless of political motive. This isn’t the same as sky diving or even trying to see the Titanic in a carbon fiber pod, this is pure and simple, self immolation to death that failed, so far.
You are technically correct, which I hear is the best kind. Equating this individuals self-immolation to draw attention to and emphasize the situation in Gaza to someone who is struggling with mental health is disingenuous.
Is being a soldier assigned to conduct an assault operation also a suicide attempt?
Knowingly doing something that might kill you is not the sole criteria for a suicide attempt. If they weren’t suicidal it wasn’t a suicide attempt.
Doing something that will almost assuredly kill you is a suicide attempt.
~Merriam-Webster Dictionary
You don’t have to be suicidal to jump on a grenade
There is a substantial difference between “being suicidal” in the clinical sense and having decided to commit suicide. We have no reason to believe, lacking an avenue for the “self expression” of immolation, that he would have jumped from a bridge or hung himself in the attic. As far as we can tell, he looked at the present political situation and judged that the most effective thing he could do to accomplish what he believed had to be accomplished was by doing something that required the investment of dying. That’s not the same thing as “being suicidal”, though you and I both disagree with his choice for our respective reasons.
I think what will hurt worse is that the genocide is still talking place and his sacrifice didn’t move the needle as much as he would have expected.
I don’t think you can presume to know what he expected when he hasn’t said what he expected, or to know the effect it’s had within a handful of days.
Please. I’ve already seen ghoulish, unprincipled crackers talking about “the world is tired of martyrs” on this very site. Not one singular settler scumbag is going to change their ways over this. We need to stop immolating ourselves and start burning the real problems.
Every sacrafice slowly moves the public opinion needle. There is never a single instance people can point to that instantly changed everyone’s mind.
That said, after Aaron Bushnell I doubt self immolation is going to make much of an impact anymore. Direct action such as blocking highways and israeli arms factories are much more effective now.
People very rarely survive significant burns. I know the article says 50/50, but he is essentially dead. The infection risk is just too high.
You think he will not just try to commit suicide again?
I have read that statistically people tend not to. Don’t know the truth of it. He’ll still be suffering in the meantime.