• HumanPerson@sh.itjust.works
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    4 months ago

    I agree that the “I have nothing to hide” argument is wrong, but could you not use the word normies? I think when people who visit this community see stuff like that it seems kinda gatekeepy even if that isn’t the intent.

  • Steamymoomilk@sh.itjust.works
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    4 months ago

    Saying you have nothing to fear, if you have nothing to hide is the equivlent. of saying i dont need the freedom of speach beacause i have nothing to say.

    I belive the quote is from cory doctrow. BASED person

  • solrize@lemmy.world
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    4 months ago

    This is just under 12 minutes long. Tldw. Can someone explain the argument in maybe 1 paragraph? I watched a minute of the video and got bored. I can’t see sending it to anyone. A 1 minute version would be great.

    • EndOfLine@lemmy.world
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      4 months ago

      The general take away is “Surveillance is oppression and it is the responsibility of the people to stand up against oppression”.

      A few other quotes I like that fit the theme.

      “People shouldn’t be afraid of their government. Governments should be afraid of their people.”

      — V (V for Vendetta)

      “Without privacy, you can’t have anything for yourself. Saying you don’t care about privacy because you have nothing to hide is like saying you don’t care about free speech because you have nothing to say.”

      — Edward Snowden

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        4 months ago

        Thanks for the summary. To respond to OP, no I don’t think this is the best explanation. The people who usually say they don’t care about privacy because they have nothing to hide are people who don’t care about surveillance either, so that doesn’t exactly change their minds.

        The best way to make them understand is to provide examples that may affect them directly. And I’m not talking about the “show me your phone” or “leave your bathroom door open” response, because that’s not a good example of mass surveillance that we are trying to explain to them. It’s hard to find the best comparison, but one example is home cameras and baby monitors. Those things are so insecure that anyone can access them over the internet. So we ask them, are you fine that any rando on the internet can tap your living room camera and watch you even though you’re just watching tv and not really doing anything private?

        • Fontasia@feddit.nl
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          4 months ago

          I’m not scared of governments surveying me, as someone who has worked for several national and local governments, they don’t have the time or budget. I’m not scared of advertisers surveying me, they’re just going to try and sell me something anyway. I’m not scared fo data brokers, they don’t want my data, they want to sell it to some one else for a profit and don’t really care about it.

          What I am afraid of is someone I’ve pissed someone off and that any of the groups above don’t care about my data enough to protect it from the asshole who will use it vindictively.

          • scrion@lemmy.world
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            4 months ago

            Yeah, I think you might want to watch that video, you might be in the target audience without knowing it.