• suction@lemmy.world
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    2 months ago

    If you felt “meh” about doing the utmost to avoid Trump, you might just be an idiot,

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      Remember, if they’re voting in their first election this year, there’s a decent chance they were under ten before Trump emerged on the scene as a politician. They don’t remember what it used to be like. They think this is normal.

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        Shit, you’re absolutely right but I never thought about it that way.

        Jesus, we’ve let these kids down. This is all they’ve known through their adolescence…

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          Jesus, we’ve let these kids down.

          Yes, and people call them idiots for wanting better than a Hobson’s choice between “genocide” and “more genocide.”

          Just look at what happened when someone listened to them.

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              Thank you for the illustration of my point. Biden isn’t running anymore. You can abandon your support for genocide. If you want to.

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                You mean real genocide or tankie illusional genocide? Because I’ll never support real muthafuckin’ G, but always point out the delusions of American antisemites like yourself.

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      Believe this hype; You can make a difference.

      I lived in Florida in 2000. If I had recruited a couple friends, and I knew people who would have been down, and we drove vans back and forth to the polls all day…

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      On a side note: Just the fucking fact that people would need a ride to vote also shows that

      a) Voting is too damn hard in the US. I know that the Republican party has been working (and keeps working) hard on making voting nearly impossible, because less votes is better for them, but seriously: make voting easier.

      b) The US is extremely over dependent on cars. In the Netherlands almost nobody would drive their car to go vote, you use a bike. Why? Because the cities in the country are designed for people first, not for cars first. Start modifying your cities to not require cars. Add bicycle roads, actually invest in public transportation, add pedestrian walk ways. The US sucks for human beings, it’s awesome for cars.

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        Voting is too damn hard in the US.

        It’s too damn hard in certain states.

        I’m in California, and am signed up for vote by mail, which anyone can do. Ballot gets mailed to me well in advance, I can take my time filling it out and researching down ballot issues, and plop it in a mailbox when I’m done.

        It’s criminal to me that this isn’t the norm.

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          I live in Colorado, and I feel the same way about this. I love the way voting works here. This should be the norm. It should be REQUIRED at the federal level that this is an offering in every state in the land.

          Any state that is not doing this does not care at all about the democratic process, IMHO, given there are outstanding examples of states that do.

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            There are loads of states that don’t want democracy, they want a theocratic republican dictatorship and if they can’t get that through voting they’ll get it through cheating, just like Jesus taught them.

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        Voting is bullshit here, thanks to the republikkklowns. I’m hoping when the VP becomes president, we can remedy some of that.

        Your point on the cars. Your example country is 237 times smaller than ours. .42%. We have 342 million people compared to their almost 19 million. What works there won’t work here. It would be great to step up public transportation but that’s not the end all answer.

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          Nonsense. India’s population is far greater than the US, and they can do better elections than the US. Saying that you can’t do bicycle roads in the US because what works in the Netherlands doesn’t work in bigger countries is, again, nonsense. Mexico is adding bicycle roads. Canada is. Why can’t the US?

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            Where the hell are you? My city just added a bunch of bike roads, but that’s going to work great in the country isn’t it? Nothing like riding a bike twenty miles to town to grab some groceries and ride back in the rain or snow.

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              The vast majority of the population lives in small, medium, and large cities where you can easily commute the < 1.5kilometer / 1 mile walking, or the < 10 kilometers / < 6 miles on a bike Whether you go to work, a store, whatever, that’s easy for the vast majority of people world wide. If done well, public transportation would be a great option for larger distances.

              I’m not advocating banning cars outright, I’m advocating pushing sustainable transportation, we can reduce traffic by 70-80%, it’s a huge chunk of CO2

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    … and the following 4 years the young voters will learn that votes would be forbidden, if they changed anything. :-P

    Harris would not be where she is w/o support from the elite, even if she wanted, she cannot change the system.

    Anyway, hope she gets elected, so I don’t have to suffer Trump news every single day (like now). It’s worth it for that alone, so go and vote, citizens!

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      Fundamentally I agree that only we can change the system.

      But she doesn’t seem nearly as pro Israel as Biden and Trump. That makes a huge difference. I can hold my nose to vote for a corporate servant, but I won’t compromise on genocide. There will eventually be no one left to speak out for us.

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        Wtf… So you would prefer trump over Biden because Biden is too pro Israel in your eyes? What is wrong with you ?

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            Well, Biden is out but the point still stands. Saying you wouldn’t vote Biden is akin to saying you want trump, you genocide loving asshats.

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              Sorry, my initial comment was unclear so I revised it. I’m against the genocide, and will now vote Democrat because Harris is against it.

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    If they want to have a future, a lot more of them should get to feeling zero “meh” about voting for not donnie.

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      Young people don’t understand voter disenfranchisement, voter suppression, erosion of constitutional rights etc.

      They just understand