I have recently played 3 games that have forced a lengthy, unskippable tutorial section that runs for several hours of the game, just to unlock the most basic functions like buying the items, customizing features, multiplayer, and even 2-player split screen modes.

For 2 of these games (Armored Core 6 and Gran Turismo 7), the major draw for me was the MP and I haven’t even gotten to check out MP yet because it’s locked out until you get passed a certain point in the progression system. Fuckin’ why do any developers do this? I just wanted to play with my sister but we have to get through most of the fucking game before we are allowed to do the multiplayer modes. Such bullshit.

  • Waluigis_Talking_Buttplug@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    0
    ·
    1 year ago

    I have uninstalled and refunded games with frustrating tutorials

    At this point in life, if a game is too complex for me to understand by simply playing the game organically, I’m going to watch a YouTube video. Reading pop up menus is okay unless they physically lock you out of the game.

    • OrderedChaos@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      0
      ·
      1 year ago

      If there is a constant need to watch YouTube videos or look up game guides the days of playing that game ends very quickly. Must be intuitive to play.

      • Waluigis_Talking_Buttplug@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        1
        ·
        edit-2
        1 year ago

        I very much disagree. Games like Dwarf Fortress or Rimworld absolutely benefit from both being left to your own devices AND having a repository of information to resort to.

        Games with a steep learning curve shouldn’t necessarily lock you into a tutorial, just give me the option and let me fail a few times until I get the hang of things.

        • AmosBurton_ThatGuy@lemmy.ca
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          1
          ·
          1 year ago

          Factorio and Stellaris are another 2 great games with steep learning curves. They’re also 2 of my most played games according to steam.

          • bigmclargehuge@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            1
            ·
            1 year ago

            Another commenter mentioned Elite: Dangerous. I have almost 300 hours into this game (rookie numbers for a lot of ED players), and I was still learning brand new mechanics I had no idea were in the game. One of the best experiences I’ve ever had in a game purely because it let me fail and learn on my own, even after I had lots of experience.

  • 【J】【u】【s】【t】【Z】@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    0
    ·
    edit-2
    1 year ago

    People won’t enjoy a game unless they learn the basic features.

    It’s a fine line for devs between teaching the player what they need to know in order to even have a chance at enjoying the game, and jamming it down their throats.

    The classic example is the game Portal. It’s a perfect tutorial. The player doesn’t even realize it’s the tutorial.

    https://www.gamedeveloper.com/design/analysis-of-game-concepts-and-player-learning-in-portal

    I am frustrated with Cities Skylines 2, lately. Text-based tutorial with optional progress checks which is okay, but they pop up as soon as you look at a newly unlocked feature, not necessarily when you are ready to build the feature.

    • SSTF@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      1
      ·
      edit-2
      1 year ago

      My favorite tutorial was in STALKER. The guy gives you a pistol and tells you good luck.

  • BURN@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    0
    ·
    1 year ago

    GT7 makes sense. There needs to be some barrier to make sure people know how to drive the cars without just immediately jumping into the game.

    Tutorials under 1hr are ok. Once they go over that I stop playing.

    • 🇰 🌀 🇱 🇦 🇳 🇦 🇰 ℹ️@yiffit.netOP
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      0
      ·
      edit-2
      1 year ago

      It’s not even just online MP. It’s the split screen, too!

      Besides: Why would there need to be a barrier? If you suck, you’re just gonna lose. If there was a ranking system, eventually you only match with other players who suck. 🤷🏻‍♂️

      • Aux@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        0
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        1 year ago

        Because noobs ruin the race for everyone else. Just watch older SuperGT videos about the shadow realm. I say if you want to get into multilayer in racing sims, you must have a valid driving license and a hundred hours of real life racing.