• LopensLeftArm@sh.itjust.works
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    6
    ·
    9 months ago

    It was still a ceasefire resolution, and one which was vetoed by Russia and China. I await the flood of tankie vitriol for those nations for supporting Israel’s pogrom against the Palestinians.

    • Keeponstalin@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      4
      ·
      edit-2
      9 months ago

      Israel is doing genocide in Gaza. A temporary ceasefire means to allow Israel to continue it’s genocide in Gaza and not cease all hostilities. There is a very big difference between a temporary ceasefire resolution and a permanent ceasefire resolution. That difference is exactly why Israel wants a temporary ceasefire and has rejected all permanent ceasefire proposals.

      If you want the genocide to end, you want a permanent ceasefire.

      • LopensLeftArm@sh.itjust.works
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        4
        ·
        9 months ago

        A ceasefire is just that - a cessation of firing, of hostilities. The US proposed one, and China and Russia vetoed it. That’s what means Israel is allowed to continue its genocide in Gaza.

        A ceasefire is a ceasefire, and the fact remains that there was political will to enact a resolution calling for one, had Russia and China not vetoed it.

          • LopensLeftArm@sh.itjust.works
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            2
            ·
            9 months ago

            A ceasefire is better than no ceasefire, and Russia and China blocked this one, proposed by the US. Your pretending like a ceasefire is useless unless it’s permanent is disingenuous.

            • Keeponstalin@lemmy.world
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              3
              ·
              9 months ago

              The reality on the ground for Palestinians in Gaza are very different under a temporary ceasefire / humanitarian pause compared to a permanent / general ceasefire. The difference is far from negligible. You’ve seen how bad Gaza has gotten since Israel resumed after the last pause, how much worse do you think it’ll get when they resume a second time.

              Nonetheless, some argue that using a humanitarian pause to provide a temporary halt in the bombing of Gaza is not enough. In a report calling for a general ceasefire, Oxfam said its experience is that such pauses can even put civilians at a greater risk, as there is usually less clarity involved about safe zones and the duration of pauses.

              But the US and other allies of Israel continue to press Netanyahu for at least a pause in Israel’s assault. He insists that while “little pauses” might be arranged to allow for the exit of hostages or to facilitate the entry of humanitarian aid, a longer halt in hostilities is not possible until all hostages taken by Hamas are released. And so the killing continues

              Israel-Hamas war: there is an important difference between a humanitarian pause and a ceasefire

              • LopensLeftArm@sh.itjust.works
                link
                fedilink
                arrow-up
                1
                ·
                9 months ago

                Again, more false dichotomy. A temporary ceasefire is better than no ceasefire at all, and the fact remains that the reason there will be no ceasefire resolution as a result of the US proposal is because Russia and China vetoed it. They share responsibility for the continued violence in Gaza.