• o_d [he/him]@lemmygrad.ml
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    It wasn’t a coup it was a revolution.

    This is just copium. Whatever you believe, the result was a fascist Ukranian state that supports literal Nazis shelling civilians. What were they supposed to do, vote harder? Oh right, their voting rights were suppressed and their political parties banned from running in elections. At a certain point, when faced with violent suppression, violence become your only option.

    Are you saying they ::gasp:: used violence during a WAR? ThEy UsEd vIolEnCe DuRIng A wAr?!?

    You’re the one who brought up violence. I’m simply trying to present the world to you as it is instead of through the filter of liberal propoganda that you so happily slurp up daily. That boot is so deep down your throat, maybe you should start an only fans.

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      It’s copium but it’s also provably wrong; the US came out and admitted they got Porochenko elected.

      but we don’t keep up with geopolitics apparently, while this dude is stuck in the 70s lol 🤓

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        Oh 💯. I was just pointing out that the human rights abuses committed by the fascist Ukranian state are unjustifiable regardless.

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        You’re the ones that think Russia is still a bastion of Marxism. Get a clue, the Soviet Union is gone and it’s not coming back anytime soon.

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            Color me shocked. Communists support non marxist militaristic imperialism over Western economic imperialism & Capitalism wins either way.

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                How do you figure? Despite what you say it was Russian troops crossing the border they could leave at any time.

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                  You’d have to look at the situation from before the war started, like all the way back to the 1999 NATO bombing of Yugoslavia and the 2004 Ukranian color revolution. NATO instigated the 2014 coup in Ukraine, which made relations between Ukraine and Russia much more tense. That’s when Ukraine began more earnestly shelling the Donbas region as well, which is a region of people who’ve always been more sympathetic towards Russia. The residents there even speak Russian. The situation became more tense to the point Ukraine was floating NATO membership, which would have resulted in Russia being more surrounded than they ever have.

                  Russian troops could leave, and that would result in the same situation as before and would inevitably erupt into conflict again. NATO encirclement, ethnically Russian people getting shelled, Nazi Ukrainian troops in the region, Ukraine denying self-determination for people within its own borders. It would still be a geopolitical mess with potential for another war.

                  Russia has in fact called for ceasefires and peace talks multiple times already. Early on in the war Ukraine seemed willing to have talks, but NATO pressured them out of it. The situation now is that despite Russia calling for ceasefires, the position of the US and other NATO allies is that no ceasefire will be accepted unless Russia completely leaves the region. That’s pigheaded and wrong. Any stop to the fighting should be accepted. That means NATO is calling for an extension to the war, not Russia.

                  The best possible way for this conflict to end is Ukraine cuts its losses, Russia annexes Donbas and Luhansk, and the fighting stops. Normal, average working class people are harmed as long as this conflict keeps going and as leftists we should be in favor of war ending, not persisting. Ukraine losing territory and the fight ending is a massively better situation than the fight becoming another decades long quagmire like Afghanistan or Syria.

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                    Classic, Russia acts like a petulant child not accepting the fact that it can’t live up to the glory days when it has complete dominance over it’s neighbors so it manufacturers a reason why it must invade a country and blame NATO because the Ukrainian get support from territorial aggression. Allowing them to keep their holdings is the same as appeasement a bad idea in front of a conscript army. Please explain why Russia dashed for kyiv of they “just wanted to annex a bit of the east” lol u dummy. Listening to you is like being at the end of the human centipede Putin’s at the front and I’m at the back.

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                  For reference, is this hegemony in the broad sense where Germany has hegemony over Munich? Or the narrower sense in which we would say the US has hegemony over Puerto Rico or France had hegemony over Burkina Faso? You’ve demonstrated a propensity to play fast and loose with your terms, so quippy answers aren’t that helpful.

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                  Is that also your definition of imperialism? What do you mean by hegemony? There’s only one hegemony in the world and it’s the US.

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                    Https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/hegemony Regional hegemony is a thing too it doesn’t have to be global wiki says that in the first 2 sentence of the article. Putin himself said in 2022, “The era of the unipolar world order is nearing its end” hmm I wonder if that means he intends to make his own…