Craig Doty II, a Tesla owner, narrowly avoided a collision after his vehicle, in Full Self-Driving (FSD) mode, allegedly steered towards an oncoming train.

Nighttime dashcam footage from earlier this month in Ohio captured the harrowing scene: Doty’s Tesla rapidly approaching a train with no apparent deceleration. He insisted his Tesla was in Full Self-Driving mode when it barreled towards the train crossing without slowing down.

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    6 months ago

    I don’t give a shit whether their marketing is a lie.

    I mean clearly. “Full self-driving” is marketing, and it is a lie. That’s the point being made here. You don’t have to care about it, but that doesn’t mean it’s not a lie.

    I’m not not blaming the drivers. They were foolish enough to buy a Tesla and trust it with their lives for a start. But I am also blaming the marketing. Two things can be true.

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      6 months ago

      You do know that marketing is, by its very definition, in practice all lies, right?

      Wanna rent a VPN with military-grade encryption?

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        6 months ago

        So you admit that this is in fact a lie?

        “Hey, every psychopathic corporate entity that functionally runs our society lies to us all the time,” is not a great sales pitch for why this psychopathic corporation should get a pass for its specific lies.

        This is the depth capitalism apologists will stoop to with absolutely no self awareness.

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          I don’t have to admit to anything because a) i’m not on trial, b) don’t work or care for Tesla and c) don’t give a rat’s ass about your opinion on me :)

          Marketing is and always has been mostly lies or half-truths. Yes, legislation has mitigated that to some extent but marketing is still marketing. You’d have to be cognitively impaired to take all that advertising to the letter (come to think of it, maybe that’s why coffee in some countries comes with a warning saying it’s hot… or microwave instructions must specify they’re not suitable for pets).

          You’d be kinda excused for believing in all the hype when AI/Tesla were just hitting the scene but nowadays? Get a grip.

          Bitch all you want about how Tesla misleads or mismarkets their products (they do, anyone with two brain cells knows that) but if you’s gonna use that as an excuse to trust a car to drive 100% independently and flawlessly because they said so… it’s totally on you. Or your corpse.

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            You don’t have to admit to anything, but you just did.

            Bitch all you want about how Tesla misleads or mismarkets their products (they do, anyone with two brain cells knows that)

            See? That’s what I would call an “admission”.

            but if you’s gonna use that as an excuse to trust a car to drive 100% independently and flawlessly because they said so… it’s totally on you. Or your corpse.

            I… don’t? I already said that if you’d been paying attention. It also does not release Tesla and Musk from culpability for lying to people about their product, many of whom went on to become corpses as a result of their negligent and malicious lies, many of them well before Tesla and Musk lost their credibility. I would also say that if your business model relies on selling dangerous bullshit to gormless rubes, then if those gormless rubes get killed by your dangerous bullshit, then you are culpable for that dangerous bullshit by virtue of targetting the gormless rubes.

            EDIT: Let’s not forget the bystanders who were killed by the dangerous bullshit along with the gormless rubes. People’s actions affect more than themselves. This is part of living in a society, which should actually protect its members and not leave them to the machinations of the worst psychopaths. You know, if it’s going to be a society worth living in.

            Scammers target the mentally infirm by deliberately making their communications extremely unprofessional and laden with grammatical errors, that doesn’t mean we blame those people for being scammed.

            Also if you have to invent an imaginary version of the other person - someone who drives a Tesla and believes it is actually fully self driving in this case - in order to make your point, then it’s probably not a very good point.

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              You don’t have to admit to anything, but you just did.

              Did i now… if you say so… keep’em internet points, i attach no value to them. 😘

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                The quote is right there, in your own words, and you’re not even saying anything anymore.

                I don’t care about internet points either, but I do care about the truth. Apparently you don’t.