• taladar@feddit.de
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          8 months ago

          Why though? There are more than enough people on this planet. Delaying the failure of pension systems for a few more decades is not a sufficient reason to screw over all of humanity.

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            8 months ago

            But why prevent births in France while emerging/ developing countries are spawning armies of babies -maybe under their own policies? Don’t we want to have some births in western / rich countries as well? We’re already below replacement rate if I’m not mistaken…

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              8 months ago

              The main reason poor and developing countries have high birth rates is that their rate of child mortality is higher and that they have no social systems to take care of the elderly so having many children is sort of their pension system. If anything we want to introduce measures there that make the high birth rates unnecessary.

              Also, why would we want to make the problem worse by having births here in addition to theirs? Assuming you don’t mean the obvious racist or nationalist motivations?

              • tryptaminev 🇵🇸 🇺🇦 🇪🇺@feddit.de
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                8 months ago

                It seems though that our pension system is failing, as you pointed out yourself. So maybe having a stable number of children is the better pension system?

                Given the productivity rate that we have in industrialized countries, we don’t need 5 children per mother, but 2 seem reasonable. And there isn’t “more than enough” people. Any number of “enough” is arbitrary, until the planetary limits are exceeded from the number of people. But we could easily sustain another 2-4 billion more people with a good life, if we would get rid of capitalism.

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                  8 months ago

                  Sure, but how likely is that? Shouldn’t we start on filling the planet up to that limit only once we have a better system, not now?

                  We could also stabilise pension systems by allowing in immigrants to work the jobs that aren’t getting done tight now. Skilled craftspeople are needed, and if they help us with pensions and get a better life for their families out of it, even better, right?