• Conyak@lemmy.tf
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    10 months ago

    As if voting for Trump will end up better somehow. Trump would bomb Americans if they said something that hurt his feelings.

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        I love how this is literally the only response libs have. Can’t criticize Biden on anything because Trump is worse. Now shut up and support our genocider in chief.

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            I guess I shouldn’t be surprised that people would discuss the submission based on the screenshot as opposed to the actual content of the submission. That said, libs have been telling everyone in the last election that it was critical to elect Biden to stop Trump and for US to change course. After three years of Biden, nothing changed and Trump is more popular than ever. Seems that the policies that Biden admin has been pursuing accomplished exact opposite of what was promised.

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    10 months ago

    Guys. Vote in your interests. Sure Biden might be a complicit war criminal but the other guy is a domestic criminal who would be an enthusiastic war criminal given half a chance.

    Secure your country from the Putin’s pet orangutan for another four years, then rake Biden across the coals.

    If we’re lucky, we won’t have to deal with either of them in 2028.

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      Could Americans, just for once, take responsibility for their own shitty politicians and politics, rather than blaming it on foreigners? This “foreign agent” bullshit is basically the same kind of conspiracy theory scape goating that Republicans do with Qanon, and it’s just as fascist as anything Trump is saying.

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        There are a lot of reasons to be suspicious about trump when it comes to colluding with foreign powers, and there is even some evidence. I agree that people often take it too far, into the conspiracy theory territory. But I don’t think it’s quite comparable with QAnon, either in feasibility, or in scope, or in the problematic effects that it may have.

        Also, the American system is, at best, only semi-democratic. The politicians are the ones who determine who is in power, much more than the people who actually vote. Are the citizens really responsible for what politicians we have? Am I responsible, as a man who votes conscientiously, who has campaigned during important elections, and yet does not have any real influence in who gets elected? Is the average person, who is just barely getting by, really expected to change the system by themselves?

        We need systemic change, but we have no class consciousness, and we are not likely to get there. These facts are manipulated by the people in power.

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        I don’t know what country you live in but that sure is a lot of words that don’t really mean anything.

        Can you please elaborate on what the “foreign agent bullshit” you’re talking about is?

        And can you please also explain how said bullshit is akin to how republicans are blaming Qanaon? (And also please explain what republicans are “blaming” Qanon for, as it’s my understanding that most republicans are followers of Qanon, not critics.)

        If you are a bot account I am sorry for putting you through the wringer as it’s my first day.

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          that sure is a lot of words that don’t really mean anything.

          What was the rest of your comment in reference to then?

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        10 months ago

        Hey yeah, I should stop picking on that Putin guy! 😁

        I said Trump was Putin’s pet. He’s a foreign agent only by happenstance and perhaps through manipulation.

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          To people who feel deprived of a clear social identity, Ur-Fascism says that their only privilege is the most common one, to be born in the same country. This is the origin of nationalism. Besides, the only ones who can provide an identity to the nation are its enemies. Thus at the root of the Ur-Fascist psychology there is the obsession with a plot, possibly an international one. The followers must feel besieged. The easiest way to solve the plot is the appeal to xenophobia. But the plot must also come from the inside: Jews are usually the best target because they have the advantage of being at the same time inside and outside.

          • Umberto Eco, Ur-Fascism
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              Nazi’s blame all their problems on a grand Jewish conspiracy, BlueMAGA blame it on a grand Russian one. Ultimately they’re both fascists.

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                Why do you think a conspiracy is necessary for Trump to be Putin’s pet?

                You seem to be convinced that I’m some kind of conspiracy theorist but I already told you I think Trump is a “Russian agent” through happenstance.

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                  Why do you think a conspiracy is necessary for Trump to be Putin’s pet?

                  Blueanon is beyond parody.

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      So… When your choices are between two war criminals, your first thought isn’t that the system needs change but that we should vote for the war criminal with a track record of war crimes?

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        The system needs to change, but with one of those criminals it’s slow progress in the right direction and with the other it’s a sprint towards fascism. Take your pick.

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            10 months ago

            Great contribution to the conversation. Laugh if you want, but voting for Democrats in general elections and voting progressive in primaries is the only way this country will make any progress. Push for ranked choice and other non-FPTP voting systems to get people better representation.

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    10 months ago

    Trump is even worse than Biden on Gaza. I get trying to push Biden to do better, but let’s all keep the truth in mind. The actual truth, not the click bait bullshit horse race covered by the media.

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      The Canadian Conservative party is the one that usually runs on “imagine/look at how bad the other guy would be” as a party platform. It’s a bad look and a sign that you have nothing better. It’s politicking for the sake of politicking.

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        It is a bad look and a sign of a lack of good options, but that’s the situation.

        Also, all Canadian parties run like that except for the Greens and the Bloc, and it’s probably because they know they won’t form a government

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      10 months ago

      Trump was president!

      My god, liberals really are all like the guy from Memento

      Meanwhile, Pelosi is calling for anyone protesting their genocide to be investigated as Russian agents.

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        And when he was president he regularly tried to outlaw protests, tear gasses them, etc. Not to mention a Trump presidency costed Roe v Wade and stacked the supreme Court with bought and sold Christofascists. I didn’t say he never was president, I said he’ll straight up outlaw protests the next time he is, which he was well on his way to doing the last time.

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          And when he was president they regularly tried to outlaw protests, tear gasses them, etc.

          Pure vibes. The Trump administration was no worse for protests than any other administration in my life time.

          Not to mention a Trump presidency costed Roe v Wade

          Yeah, great job there, Biden.

          stacked the supreme Court with bought and sold Christofascists.

          The Democrats literally let the Republicans have two of those seats.

          I said he’ll straight up outlaw protests the next time he is

          Want to make a bet on it?

          which he was well on his way to doing the last time.

          Lol no.

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            Pure vibes. The Trump administration was no worse for protests than any other administration in my life time.

            Are you a small child? He literally tear gassed protesters to take a photo op.

            Yeah, great job there, Biden.

            Nope. Trump’s admin.

            The Democrats literally let the Republicans have two of those seats.

            They didn’t have the house, plus they’re not great, but they’re better than Trump.

            Want to make a bet on it?

            It’s not a game and I’m not a child. He will.

            Lol no.

            Lol yeah, he literally wanted to call in the National guard, you can look it up.

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              Are you a small child?

              Are you? Have you never watched any news or read any US history books?

              Nope. Trump’s admin.

              Check those dates again, matey.

              They didn’t have the house

              Neither did the Republicans for two of them.

              And the Dems absolutely did have the house when they decided not to have RBG retire.

              Lol yeah, he literally wanted to call in the National guard, you can look it up.

              You’re using an example of Trump not outlawing protests as evidence that he did.

              It’s not a game and I’m not a child. He will.

              Put your money where your mouth is then, coward.