Most people here don’t understand what this is saying.
We’ve had “pure” human generated data, verifiably so since LLMs and ImageGen didn’t exist. Any bot generated data was easily filterable due to lack of sophistication.
ChatGPT and SD3 enter the chat, generate nearly indistinguishable data from humans, but with a few errors here and there. These errors while few, are spectacular and make no sense to the training data.
2 years later, the internet is saturated with generated content. The old datasets are like gold now, since none of the new data is verifiably human.
This matters when you’ve played with local machine learning and understand how these machines “think”. If you feed an AI generated set to an AI as training data, it learns the mistakes as well as the data. Every generation it’s like mutations form until eventually it just produces garbage.
Training models on generated sets slowly by surely fail without a human touch. Scale this concept to the net fractionally. When 50% of your dataset is machine generated, 50% of your new model trained on it will begin to deteriorate. Do this long enough and that 50% becomes 60 to 70 and beyond.
Human creativity and thought have yet to be replicated. These models have no human ability to be discerning or sleep to recover errors. They simply learn imperfectly and generate new less perfect data in a digestible form.
Collapse faster, please. Sick of ai bullshit clogging up my searches.
The Internet is fucked now, the only valuable untainted training data is the Internet as it existed prior to this AI bullshit coming online. Confirmed human content is going to be super valuable, so expect our privacy to be fucked as well…
Anecdotally speaking, I’ve been suspecting this was happening already with code related AI as I’ve been noticing a pretty steep decline in code quality of the code suggestions various AI tools have been providing.
Some of these tools, like GitHub’s AI product, are trained on their own code repositories. As more and more developers use AI to help generate code and especially as more novice level developers rely on AI to help learn new technologies, more of that AI generated code is getting added to the repos (in theory) that are used to train the AI. Not that all AI code is garbage, but there’s enough that is garbage in my experience, that I suspect it’s going to be a garbage in, garbage out affair sans human correction/oversight. Currently, as far as I can tell, these tools aren’t really using much in the way of good metrics to rate whether the code they are training on is quality or not, nor whether it actually even works or not.
More and more often I’m getting ungrounded output (the new term for hallucinations) when it comes to code, rather than the actual helpful and relevant stuff that had me so excited when I first started using these products. And I worry that it’s going to get worse. I hope not, of course, but it is a little concerning when the AI tools are more consistently providing useless / broken suggestions.
My team has been calling models that use ai generated data “Habsberg models”
I feel there is a good joke here, but I miss the knowledge to understand it. Care to enlighten me?
The Habsburg royal family line was famously inbred with a distinctive chin.
Looks like we need Low-Background-Content
Can you explain further more ? Sorry I may understand but not sure
Low Background Radiation Steel was/is valuable, because it’s made of steel from before nuclear testing. As the bombs contaminated the produced steel.
In the same sense, anything before the creation of LLMs would be considered “low background radiation” content, as that’s the only content to be sure to be made without LLMs in the loop
I like the concept and analogy, thanks for explanations 🙏
Maybe we need to label AI-generated content to, you know, avoid confusion.
Oh goody. I’ve been wanting to use this since my slashdot days… today is my first chance!
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